They already have higher def than DPS classes. That shouldn't mean that Namekians are also gifted with good, Legendary gear.
Sorry mate, but if you want the best gear with def, craft CC Black Set lvl70, it have 800 pdef for MA and 800 e def for spiritualists.
If you make DPS classes have same gear as tankers then tankers won't be tankers anymore.
Plus you can obtain high energy def gear from TMQ already and it is enough.
human classes are meant to have crappy defense.
Humans have the highest dmg... So they have the lowest defense.
Display MoreOkay so I'm going to repeat this suggestion because I have more info to add.
------Item/Stat Name: Human/Majin Armor
--Current item effect/value: Defense stat Varies
--How you wanna change that item effect or value: Despite all the cool artwork done by NTL for promoting the game and such, most armor that isn't Crafted or found in TMQs just plain suck. What I'd like to see is armor with defense values equal to that of Namekian armor, who got lucky and have better armor than Humans and Majins in terms of defense. This will allow players to go for Legendary, lvl 70 armor pieces with stats such as 34 CON or 39% anti-crit. Granted the defense will not surpass Crafted armor, but again the Legendary values will make up for the difference. This also prompts players to farm for Legendary armor so that they can get these values.
I went in the game and got some crappy lvl 70 armor for Humans and Namekians. Here are the defense values for the top.
This is the lvl 70 Turtle Hermit armor. Now here's the Namekian armor.
Notice the difference in defense values? While the physical defense is the same for both armors, the difference in the energy defense stat for the Namekian armor is nearly double the the Human armor (407 difference to be exact). This also applies to Majin armor as they share their defense values with Humans, although they have a higher stat in the opposite defense value. So why, then, should Namekians be graced with armor with that good defense while Humans and Majins are restricted to using crafted or TMQ armor. It's double annoying that these armors can also be found as Legendary making Humans and Majins miss out on massive stat boosts. As I said earlier, I suggest that the defense values for lvl 70 armor should match Namekian armor in terms of base defense to make it a good alternative to craft and TMQ armor due to their higher stat base, but low drop rate. This doesn't make craft and TMQ useless though since they can be easier to obtain as opposed to lvl 70 legendary armor.
I dont think puttin human majin armours at namekian armour lvl defense would be fair to nameks, they are ready been nerf pretty fairly, with sucess rate and resistance being halfed for them.
my suggestion would be to increase the 400 energy def armour 620 for majins and 580 for humans this allows humans and majins to have some defense while gaining effects of legendary gear, this also still keeps nameks in the forefront of defense.
but hey this is my opinion and doesnt represent the dbog team on this matter
human classes are meant to have crappy defense.
Humans have the highest dmg... So they have the lowest defense.
Then please tell me why is a SK one shotting us? They are supposed to have crappy attack because they're a tank but no they are also a big DPS against us humans. Giving us just a little bit more def on legendary armors wouldn't hurt much would it?
Then please tell me why is a SK one shotting us? They are supposed to have crappy attack because they're a tank but no they are also a big DPS against us humans. Giving us just a little bit more def on legendary armors wouldn't hurt much would it?
1- People who complain about SK usually have bad armor... Most humans with +9 armor have almost no issues against bold strike, and they gear themselves against it.
2- SKs that oneshot you are usually all +15 and also back to the first point... You dont have the armor to guard it.
3- All classes, even tanks, will die to a bold strike if they arent well geared.
Display MoreThis doesn't reflect the DBOG Staff. It's only my opinion...
1- I don't know how you'd ever manage to do cc70 with 2 Pokos and no Dendes.
2- I'm assuming none of you is putting the fact that Dende is 100% needed only for their EP regen buff, which, without it, you can't actually RUN CC.
3- I tried multiple times, by the time you pass 3 floors, your EP is 100% at the ground with nothing you can do about it.
If anyone has some input on this that apparently I'm no aware of recently, do tell...
I wasn't saying dende was not needed at all but just wanted say you could actually run CCBD without it, albeit slower and more difficult.
Obviously, F50 is no problem. F70 w/o dende might be impossible at the moment since tutle's slow is bugged, but it is very likely to be possible if the skill is not bugged (I actually watched a Youtube video that showed it was possible).
Sidenote: You can maintain EP by using CCBD EP potions, breaking the green cube in the middle of non-boss floors when it apears, or the Ultimate majin's EP recovery buff. I said it would be slower than you had a dende in your party because it's better not use kaioken/SSJ in the normal floors if you don't have a dende in your party. However, still, it should be possible to clear it.
Added: I just found the video. Here's the link to it.
-----Class Name: plasma majin
----Skill or Passive name:burning rage
--Current skill effect: increases energy attack by 48
309 burn def
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: increase energy attack by 100
209 burn def
----Skill or Passive name: confusing drumbeat
--Current skill effect: confusion and increases movement speed by 15%
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: increases movement speed by 25%. or change for attack speed
----Skill or Passive name: curse reflection
--Current skill effect: reflect 515 Lp as dmg back to the target that the used to curse
-Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: recovers LP by 550 receiving a curse
----Skill or Passive name: Slowing drumbeat
--Current skill effect: cast time increased by 01:00
attacking speed descreased by 19%
-Things you'd like to add or change in that skill:
cast time increased by 02:00
attacking speed descreased by 30%
1- People who complain about SK usually have bad armor... Most humans with +9 armor have almost no issues against bold strike, and they gear themselves against it.
2- SKs that oneshot you are usually all +15 and also back to the first point... You dont have the armor to guard it.
3- All classes, even tanks, will die to a bold strike if they arent well geared.
Yeah, so that class is allowed to be a tank and yet kill people easily. No, it isn't like that in any MMORPG. Classes like shadow knights would be removed and would be re-worked if so many complained about it. Anti bleed makes us tank it but at a cost of many other things, plus lets say SK has like 3-4 stuns, how in the hell does this even make sense now?
BlazingBarrager The main problem seen is that humans and majins don't have TMQ8 gear to wear in 70 cap, those are one of Humans and Majins best armors, while craft is one of Nameks which they get lvl 70, and they can get it pretty easily, not to mention I think its better than their CCBD armor but not 100% sure on that one. Btw Iceman Badass, Humans have around 11k less base LP so even if they had the same amount of armor defense they wouldn't tank nearly as good as SKs/DW just saying.
I dont think puttin human majin armours at namekian armour lvl defense would be fair to nameks, they are ready been nerf pretty fairly, with sucess rate and resistance being halfed for them.
my suggestion would be to increase the 400 energy def armour 620 for majins and 580 for humans this allows humans and majins to have some defense while gaining effects of legendary gear, this also still keeps nameks in the forefront of defense.
but hey this is my opinion and doesnt represent the dbog team on this matter
Fair enough. So raising the values of the armor would be viable, but not to the same level as Namekians so they can retain their tank prowess.
I wasn't saying dende was not needed at all but just wanted say you could actually run CCBD without it, albeit slower and more difficult.
I agree it's technically possible. But obviously, this is an idiotic tactic and requires your whole team to be both overpowered and skilled at the game to pull off. People who meet those criteria would only bother doing this to show off, and wouldn't claim that "no-one ever goes SSJ/Kaioken" in effective CCBD runs.
------Class Name: Poko Priest
----Skill or Passive name:
Kami's Epoch 
--Current skill effect: Recovers 3806LP
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: Recovers 3806LP and 381 EP
As it stands now, the signature Poko healing skill costs twice as much EP as Healing Wave, has 5 times as much cooldown, less range, and when used with RP is actually weaker than Healing Wave as well. I know Pokos aren't meant to be as effective healers as Dendes, so I won't suggest an LP buff. But if we add a bit of EP healing, it'll cost less for them to use this skill on themselves, and they can help out others better as well. It won't replace the Dende's function in the CCBD either considering how this takes a massive 1066EP to cast.
------Class Name: Poko Priest
----Skill or Passive name:Kami's Epoch
--Current skill effect: Recovers 3806LP--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: Recovers 3806LP and 381 EP
As it stands now, the signature Poko healing skill costs twice as much EP as Healing Wave, has 5 times as much cooldown, less range, and when used with RP is actually weaker than Healing Wave as well. I know Pokos aren't meant to be as effective healers as Dendes, so I won't suggest an LP buff. But if we add a bit of EP healing, it'll cost less for them to use this skill on themselves, and they can help out others better as well. It won't replace the Dende's function in the CCBD either considering how this takes a massive 1066EP to cast.
This is my opinion on this, not the DBOG Staff.
But if it ever recovers EP, then it would be healing more than it's costing.
I have Kami's Epoch on 1/4 for the reason of conserving the EP (PvP: quick 2k Self heal that doesn't rip your EP to pieces)
If it recovers 381 EP, then it will give me both 5k+ LP and 1.5K EP, meaning that I can use it whenever it doesn't have CD and I will not lose anything from using it.
Generally I like suggestions that buff the classes I play so much, but even those buffs should be somewhat balanced. Maybe making it more useful is by reducing the EP it costs massively. Maybe making max level cost around 400EP so it becomes the GO TO HEAL for Pokos instead of a Generic Healing Wave.
Then please tell me why is a SK one shotting us? They are supposed to have crappy attack because they're a tank but no they are also a big DPS against us humans. Giving us just a little bit more def on legendary armors wouldn't hurt much would it?
alittle and alot is very hard to differentiate. blazing barriageris idea is a good strat but the defense in my opinion should not match an sk.
in general a properly geared fighter and sword should have little trouble dealing with an sk.
a smart crane and turtle with good gear and anti bleed should be able to do well.
------Class Name: All Races
----Skill or Passive name: Guard
--Current skill effect: Blocks incoming attacks
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: We all know this skill since we get it from TLQ2. It also happens to be the only defensive move that is shared by all classes. So why don't players invest in this skill? Well at the moment it's too luck based. 3 SP gives you a 30% chance of blocking an incoming attack, which, combined with the 50% chance to counter attack a blocked skill, is pretty low. Too low. What I suggest is bumping the chance rate to 50% (at 3 SP). This increases the odds of blocking a skill or attack and also gives you a better chance at performing a counter attack. All races and classes (saved for Swordsman, who have Scintilation that automatically blocks on the spot) would benefit from this increase as it can be the best life savor you can get in both PvE and PvP. This would also not be considered broken as you have to wait for Guard to CD (which is 8 seconds at 3 SP) as well as the existence of Guard Break RP effect.
But if it ever recovers EP, then it would be healing more than it's costing.
If it recovers 381 EP, then it will give me both 5k+ LP and 1.5K EP, meaning that I can use it whenever it doesn't have CD and I will not lose anything from using it.
Oh no, you misunderstand. In this case, I meant a set amount of 308EP at max level(68 at lvl1, 134 at lvl2, 224 at lvl3), nothing that increases the EP you recover depending on gear or anything. That'd be absolutely ridiculous.
You guys do realize its not just defense that makes you tanks, theres also CON, you can have 20k defense but if you have 1k LP you'll fail.
Also you guys do realize humans AND majins can get legendary level 70 CCBD armor that has 1k defense, and that Nameks level 70 legendary is around 800??? There's actually already armor that has HIGHER defense than nameks and is legendary. People have gotten it as well but you never hear of a turtle tanking like a SK in rank because they are missing the BASE LP.
You guys do realize its not just defense that makes you tanks, theres also CON, you can have 20k defense but if you have 1k LP you'll fail.
Also you guys do realize humans AND majins can get legendary level 70 CCBD armor that has 1k defense, and that Nameks level 70 legendary is around 800??? There's actually already armor that has HIGHER defense than nameks and is legendary. People have gotten it as well but you never hear of a turtle tanking like a SK in rank because they are missing the BASE LP.
The problem with CCBD armor is that you need to box it to get the desired effects, which will either require you to donate for CP or spend a ton of zeni from other players.
The problem with CCBD armor is that you need to box it to get the desired effects, which will either require you to donate for CP or spend a ton of zeni from other players.
Correct, while Nameks Craft is around that and with both p and e defense. The only downside is that it's rare but just how easy it is to obtain, it's very unbalanced.
Mostly correct except the fact that you can actually go to CCBD at least up to F50 without a dende in your party. If you have a poko, F50 is just a piece of cake. Even if you don't have a poko, it is still very doable for many players. If you have one or two pokos in a speed party, I think they can clear even F70 or higher.
I knew what you intended to say but just wanted to point out what has been written above.
Yep its possible, just kinda annoying
Oh no, you misunderstand. In this case, I meant a set amount of 308EP at max level(68 at lvl1, 134 at lvl2, 224 at lvl3), nothing that increases the EP you recover depending on gear or anything. That'd be absolutely ridiculous.
EP and LP increase (Heal) depends on your sub weapon. So Values even super low would be increased dramatically by highly +d weapons.
lvl 1 of the skill heals 682, but to me it heals a little over 2k. (Depending on my Buffs, which I usually only have mine on)
Let's say it's an average of 2082. Meaning I am getting a +1.4k Boost on all my healing, so probably gonna heal 1.7k EP when I use it (with EP cost to use skill... making it a general 700EP heal)
I haven't come across ANY healing skill in the game and realized that it was a set amount, which is why I questioned the suggestion.
If there is a way to make it a Static Heal that doesn't get effected, then I still think reducing it's EP cost is a better solution, because as a poko, you're constantly losing huge EP buffing your team (in a party we're talking ATM), that can be a NECESSARY heal, a Speed Buff, or even just a regular rebuff.
+308 EP to a player would probably mean 1-2 skills, while -1k EP on me means 2-3 less Speed Boosts.
If you want this skill to be buffed, a really powerful buff for the skill (but also deadly) is making it give 100 RP only on 4/4... which basically mean you're sacrificing 1k EP for 1 RP ball.
This is my opinion on it at least 
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