Upgrade System

    Quote from Shanks

    Many don't want things easier

    Did you not read what me and SaitoSenpai just posted? Getting rid of the break system only makes things a tiny bit better. It isn't a big, if any, impact on the fact that getting to +15 is going to take a LOT of time, a LOT of Upgrade Stones, and a LOT of luck. Everyone needs to look at the big picture here: DBO's RNG system is the biggest pain the game has to offer, and DBOG can only do so much with it. If they wanted to make upgrading easy, they would make it to where each level is a guaranteed Success. That's the best they can do, and it's not going to happen.


    So again, break or not upgrading is going to be one of the biggest pains this game has to offer. Keeping break just makes upgrading completely unfair for the player so it's best to get rid of it so people won't rage quit and throw their keyboards into their monitors.

    @Everyone who says "No" to not break.


    What I don't understand is,
    There's already items implemented into the game to prevent it to break. Why make White stones useless.


    Like come on, it's like everyone states their opinion, but forget about it. White stone was a thing.
    I say this because, they've been many debates about it, but never to include a very important item, the white stone. I hear this and that, but it's never apart of the conversation.


    Keeping it the same is WAY less work. It saves you the trouble of a huge discussion. As we were always the foreigners to DBO, so most of us were noobs compared to the TWs. Just because noobs couldn't obtain it easily, doesn't mean others couldn't. It doesn't really matter how long you've even played DBO. As I've seen people play since beta and still don't know about the game. (I won't call that person name, but it begins with a "J".) So It's enough hearing this part.


    SaitoSenpai said he got his to +9 from several tries. but I'm still waiting for him to say something about my reply of him using a white stone.
    Because your weapons do not break, unless you want it to.


    I also heard when you Fail you get a -1? (I'm not on board with that, that's a dense idea) That's ruining the Upgrade System. I find it already balanced.


    +15 isn't impossible people, It's somewhat easy when you've grown to the game. Hell, we already had noobs walking around with +15 sets anyway. I see it unnecessary to make it easier. You people keep saying "Let's not have it break" When it doesn't break unless you let it. White stones people. White stones. Thousands who played the game will tell you the same.



    What you guys need to know is, YOU DON'T NEED +15. There's +10, +11, +12 that are not hard at all to get with a white stone. If you don't like the system, my opinion is to let white stones be obtainable easier.


    +11 is good enough anyway. +15 is 2OP. I say only the people who very hard should achieve it. What's the achievement if it's so easy to get it? :/


    And for people saying it won't be that Easy to get if the weapon doesn't "BREAK" (quotation marks are because it doesn't break unless you let it people) is bullshit.
    You'll understand what I'm talking about when you see almost every Asian (excluding Saito Senpai) walking around with it.




    That's what video games are about right guys? Conquering the difficulties.


    I won't post anything about Upgrade System anymore, because I've said what I have to say, and this is my whole opinion about it.
    Nothing more. Nothing less.


    But I will reply to SaitoSenpai, because I'm still waiting for my answer of his results with the white stone. (Screenshot would be great too)

    Quote from #RealTalk

    And for people saying it won't be that Easy to get if the weapon doesn't "BREAK" (quotation marks are because it doesn't break unless you let it people) is bullshit.

    It won't though. I proved that using math btw.
    Also, stop puting asians in a pedestal as if they are the gods of gaming. DBO upgrade system requires rng, asians aren't luckier then anybody else, what they do however is spend more in virtual games then anyone else.

    Here's something else people, including you RealTalk, keep forgeting about when stating their opinion on the upgrade system: the game's RNG system. You say white stones will make upgrading easier and taking away the break system will make them useless. I say bull s**t. You say making white stones easier to get will help out with the break system. I say bull s**t again. Think about this for a minute. You're assuming that they'll make white stones a drop item or something to make getting them easier. Well here's the hard truth: there's nothing easy about it at all. I keep saying this over and over again but apparently people, especially you RealTalk, just don't get it. The RNG system governs drops, which means how long it will take to get one is entirely up to how good your luck is. It can take 30 minutes to get 5 or it can take a whole freaken day to get just one, and that's not counting the stone's level chance.


    But let's say you do get your hands on some. Upgrading will be much simpler right? WRONG. RNG also controls the upgrade system, which means you're having to rely even more on your luck. You say "oh we have white stones so we'll be good even with the break system." I say bull s**t AGAIN. You save your item yes, but you also lose an upgrade stone that could have taken hours to get, and if you get a Success you just used up a white stone that could have been a pain to get. Oh and what about if your item breaks? It could have been a item you spent days farming for and used loads of brown/silver boxes on for that one effect you wanted. Do you seriously want to go through all of that again? I sure as hell don't. At least without the break system you save yourself some time by not loosing that piece of equipment you worked so hard to get.


    So yeah long story short: RNG factors into the upgrading and drop system and trumps white stones in the solution of making the upgrading system easier. The best the devs can do is make the upgrading process a little bit more tolerable by removing the break system. It will not make the upgrade system much easier however. If they wanted to make it very easy, they would code the system to where you always get a Success card, but that's not going to happen.


    @Kiera: Best. Clap Gif. Ever.

    You all have very interesting replies. I can't help myself but to reply as well.


    Quote from Sabin

    It won't though. I proved that using math btw.
    Also, stop putting Asians in a pedestal as if they are the gods of gaming. DBO upgrade system requires rng, asians aren't luckier then anybody else, what they do however is spend more in virtual games then anyone else.


    First of all, when you tell someone you did math, usually someone shows the full data of them doing it. Now if you can't show it, don't even put in your sentence, as it means nothing to that point.


    Now you put that sentence, as if you were commanding me. Never, never do that. I might end up getting banned.
    Also, "putting Asians in a pedestal" So, I'm calling them a God of the gaming because I said "They'd walk around with +15s in dbo?" Hm, interesting.
    You do realize...that this is an Asian game...right? So, just for this once, let's say I'm Italian. playing a Italian game. Shouldn't I be better at the game than regular foreigners?


    Since you said you've played since beta. I'd honestly suspected you out of anyone, to understand what I'm saying about that. Because my statement on followed behind truth. They were already walking around with +15s. I think for you to even get defensive about me talking about Asians, mean you have your own personal issues with them when you played. And it seems you still do.
    Sabin, I don't think they're god of gaming, some are just better than us at it, for sure. It's not like I'm hating. Black people are better in sports than a lot people. Did I call them a god of sports? No, but some might think so.


    But some can't accept it because of their pride. Because if I was any insecure about my pride, I'd take offense to it too bro.
    but I can accept it, because it's not a big deal to me. It's not like I base my life from a game. You on the other hand, could base it from your life, I don't know, as an individual I don't know who the hell you are. You don't seem to have that big of a name from your server, even tho you speak as if you were someone. So I don't truly know. There's no evidence on that.


    I had to take great time in making this post, because I've seen this happen a lot. I had to include analogies, so you would understand better.
    Because whenever you make statements. You never back up with any evidence. It's like a fool sounding like he is competent.
    How would we know? We don't, because there's no evidence being brought to the table.
    (Please don't get intimidated by my post, as I might have come off a little aggressive)



    But I took offense when you misunderstood me. I really did. As, it seem you were trying to get aggressive with a man.
    As advice, just watch how you say things, as you might can come off wrongly.




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    @Trailblazing Barrager You're right, you really are. That's your opinion and mine. We'll just see what happens when the game releases. No need for me to debate about it anymore.





    EDIT: Now I'm done, Let's not ruin this community's thread with arguments. We're getting out of subject here.

    Quote from Kirito

    White Stones


    Since items would not break anymore, White Stones would still be used, as to simply prevent the item from downgrading instead.


    This. Why don't people see it this way?


    Quote from #RealTalk

    @Trailblazing Barrager You're right, you really are. That's your opinion and mine. We'll just see what happens when the game releases. No need for me to debate about it anymore.


    Opinion? Really? What I just explained isn't my opinion. It's actual fact. I've played enough games that use an RNG system to know how it works and how evil it can be so I know what I'm talking about.


    Also TrailBlazing? Really? :/

    This is the first time I'm reading that they're going to do something about White Stones. As you can see, I thanked his post because of it.
    Google Chrome auto corrected your name obviously. So yeah, it REALLY happened.


    I never said it WASN'T a fact. If you intend to want to go there. than both of ours are a fact. I don't see how you'd want to reply because I sent "opinion" instead of "fact". :| Haven't you heard the saying, Opinion is fact? That means, people that say their opinion can equal to a fact. Opinion means a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. It means an opinion CAN be a fact. But not always. I don't understand why you'd reply because of that.

    i have an idea hight rate to item success with break > 0-6=100%_lvl70-60=30% success
    if without break system then meduim rate success lvl70-60=10% success
    and i say without break system i hope you work with my idea

    no break
    If yes is pay 2 win,cashers will buy white stones and will have advantage on non cashers(i will definitaly buy cash points :evil: ).


    suggestion definitaly remove tickets and on breakage make (time/days) penalty of non upgradeable,reason to stop spamming luck an make things slower.


    or even better make penalty system on breakage resorting 3 penalties to brake item,each penalty 7 day limit to pass...


    make white stones less pay 2 win and more pay 2 progress.


    anyways my answer is NO BREAK.

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    First of all, when you tell someone you did math, usually someone shows
    the full data of them doing it. Now if you can't show it, don't even put
    in your sentence, as it means nothing to that point.


    And you should read the whole thread if you want to make those kinds of statements.


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    Now you put that sentence, as if you were commanding me. Never, never do that. I might end up getting banned.


    Also, "putting Asians in a pedestal" So,
    I'm calling them a God of the gaming because I said "They'd walk around
    with +15s in dbo?" Hm, interesting.


    You said so yourself, why would asians be walking around in dboglobal full +15 and not us? You obviously put them in the pedestal sir. RNG system, thats all



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    You do realize...that this is an Asian
    game...right? So, just for this once, let's say I'm Italian. playing a
    Italian game. Shouldn't I be better at the game than regular foreigners?


    Thats the same as saying brazillians can't be good at soccer cause england invented it. It doesnt make any sense, at all.



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