Revamp 1k Slash or buff Crane #don'tignorethis

Danuvius · Jan 16th 2018

I remember when normal 1k Slash without Power RP dealt way less damage than with Power RP, why not return that? Crane is nowhere an OP Class and 1k Slash was their Identity Skill, just like Kamehameha from Turtles and Needles from Fighters.

Non-RP 1k Slash = 40-45% DOT Explosion Damage

Power-RP 1k Slash = 70% DOT Explosion Damage

The Skill has a cooldown of 2 minutes (without Skill Cooldown)

If you don't buff the damage then reduce the Skills CD to 1 minute. (without Skill Cooldown)

I did some testing and 1x Mystical Crane Typhoon does 485 Bleeding against Mobs (Bleeding can be reduced in duration) -> without Power RP

That's 14.550 in 30 Seconds in total

and 40~45% 1k Slash are 5.820 ~ 6.547 damage.

A Bold Strike of SK does 2044 Bleeding Damage (+15 and on 2854 ENG DEF)

Sure a DOT that lasts 1 minute shouldn't deal that much damage, because it adds up. But it takes way too long to actually kill someone, especially with a nerfed 1K Slash and a 2 min cooldown. Not to mention Shadow Knight is a freaking TANK Class, and they do more DPS than a avg Crane in PvP. What's next? Nerfing Dark Warrior?

The Video shows a 1K Slash of 29.954 ( 70% DOT Explosion Damage )

29.954 * 1,30 to show the 100% DOT Damage = 38.940

38,940 Total DOT Damage / 30 Seconds = 1.298 Bleeding DOT.

1K Slash clearly stayed the same in retail DBO, why change it here?

Basically, if you need to use 1 RP to use full 1k Slash damage, it'd be way more "balanced" than it is now. I mean 1x 1k Slash does average 40-45% Dot Explosion Damage instead of it's respective 70%. If you nerf a class based on a damage skill (yes, it ignores Def, but it requires me to put Dots on you to use it, and if you are bad enough to let me do so - is it really Cranes fault to be punished?), shouldn't you also nerf Turtle Hermits and Fighters?

Another Idea would be making the Crane DOT's like Shadow Knights Bold Strike and make them also PHY DEF & ENG DEF based.

Just like I mentioned in this thread Gib Crane Book #Buff crane please

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Crane is insanely hard to play these days, they are in need of a balance update. 1k Slash was nerfed drastically (understanding, but do you guys know how hard it is to apply dots?)

Props got nerfed and ended up being completely useless for Crane Hermits. 1 ATK and 0.5 DEF for Spiritualists... Cranes always deal the same damage, and their basic damage is not very strong. 0.5 DEF won't do any cut for them. I got a +15 Fan and yet compared to other classes, my skills are mediocre at best (excluding the DOT Skills)

The only real way to stop enemies are Speed Restraint + Fan Out, but movement speed is so crazy, people just dash across the whole ranked arena and instantly stun before I can even cast my Fan Out. Crane's also have no Instant MAX RP or Skill Blocker (Destructo Disc) or Instant AoE Paralysis (Sudden Stun) like Female Turtle Hermits, they have to charge RP during Sleep which requires quite a lot of time, even with 13 RP Regeneration Shoes.

If you'd compare both Spiritualist classes (except Male Turtle, they aren't really made for PvP - sorta on pair with Crane Hermit though)

Crane Hermit: PROS

- Best DOTS + DOTS Duration in-game

- High DOT Damage

- One of the best Debuffs in the game (Graceful Backstab)

- Weapon Upgrade does not matter, because the damage is always the same.

- A Skill to nuke opponents (if you applied like 3-4 DOTS, 3 Burn WITHOUT RP do average 13k 1k Slash. - It's impossible to apply 3 Burn with RP in a battle vs a strong enemy)

Crane Hermit: CONS

- No real Debuffs/Stuns, only Speed Restraint (their Paralysis and Confuse require DOTS to be applied before using)

- 1K Slash damage is average, especially if people play full antibleed vs you. You got to use 4-5 Burns to nuke an SK or Ultimate (they also got LP % so the Burns don't deal that much) and don't come with you need to play smarter, better etc. I've challenged the top tier players and if you miss or don't get that sleep off, you're instantly doomed.

- Movement Speed counters the whole class

- Only 2 KD's in total in which one has a Cast Time

Turtle Hermit: PROS

- Highest Damage Output in the game

- The ability to gain instant Max RP and higher defenses by an item

- They got a Skill Lock like Karma Majin (Destructo Disc)

- They also got Speed Restraint + Turtle Rod Strike/Spirit Rod & Sleep

- They got more KDs than a Crane (Crane has 2 in total)

- They also have a Burn DOT just like Crane

- Instant AoE Area Paralysis

- Does not have to charge during Sleep

Turtle Hermit: CONS

- Damage is based on Weapon Upgrade

- Movement Speed counters them at some point too, but not as drastically as Crane, because they have the chance to apply Skill Lock or Paralysis, while Crane only has Sleep when the enemies are close

As you can see Turtle Hermits are far superior than Crane Hermits and they really need a revamp. There is a reason why there are not many Crane Hermits in-game, even though Sendoku
won the Budokai with it. And it's definitely not because it's hard to play, it's because the CONS overweight the PROS and with Open Beta starting soon, everyone would regret starting as a Crane Hermit very early.

Crane is in serious need of a buff. Don't listen to these nubs that base arguments on "Platform".

Ultranovaxstyle · Jan 16th 2018

Their main passive also needs a remake.

Make crane useful,u have my support Danuvius.

#makecranegreatagain

Box-head(boxbox) · Jan 16th 2018

ill correct you on 1k slash it does 35% dot splash not 40%

I prefer revamping cranes main passive over thousand slashes myself, I truly believe cranes main passive is the cause of there problems not thousands slashes.

if there passive was changed to get the damage off in say 20 seconds instead of a minute and just increase the % of dot damage to double (so 238% ) I can see it working very well for both pve and pvp.

why am I saying only increase the 100 % damage by 2.38 times for only a 1/3 the duration, because cranes can crank off dots enough dots to kill there targets, and most of there dots are aoe. I think this is a fair compensation

so heres how I broke down the passive for each upgrade

lvl 30

increase dot damage by 10%

lvl 38

increase dot damage by 30%

lvl 46

increase dot damage by 70%

increase dot duration by 4 sec

lvl 54

increase dot damage by 120%

increase dot duration by 4 sec

lvl 62

increase dot damage by 170%

increase dot duration by 10 sec

lvl 70

increase dot damage by 238%

increase dot duration by 10 sec

also inorder for this passive to be fair mysctical crane typhoon, and crane cyclone would only be able to have 3 sp on it so the damage wont be too ridiculous,

dodon ray barrage would have to be changed as well probably limit the sp to 2 instead of 4

anyways what does the crane community think of this suggestion

Danuvius · Jan 16th 2018

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ill correct you on 1k slash it does 35% dot splash not 40%

I prefer revamping cranes main passive over thousand slashes myself, I truly believe cranes main passive is the cause of there problems not thousands slashes.

if there passive was changed to get the damage off in say 20 seconds instead of a minute and just increase the % of dot damage to double (so 238% ) I can see it working very well for both pve and pvp.

why am I saying only increase the 100 % damage by 2.38 times for only a 1/3 the duration, because cranes can crank off dots enough dots to kill there targets, and most of there dots are aoe. I think this is a fair compensation

so heres how I broke down the passive for each upgrade

lvl 30

increase dot damage by 10%

lvl 38

increase dot damage by 30%

lvl 46

increase dot damage by 70%

increase dot duration by 4 sec

lvl 54

increase dot damage by 120%

increase dot duration by 4 sec

lvl 62

increase dot damage by 170%

increase dot duration by 10 sec

lvl 70

increase dot damage by 238%

increase dot duration by 10 sec

also inorder for this passive to be fair mysctical crane typhoon, and crane cyclone would only be able to have 3 sp on it so the damage wont be too ridiculous,

dodon ray barrage would have to be changed as well probably limit the sp to 2 instead of 4

anyways what does the crane community think of this suggestion

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I can clearly see your idea and it'd be a cool change, because it makes Crane a fast paced Killer.

The Mystical Crane Typhoon on 5/5 WITHOUT RP (Don't base arguments too much on RP, because Crane's barely use them in PvP, on Damaging Skills atleast)

-> does 346 Bleeding Damage * 2,50 (250%) = 865 DOT Damage over 20 Seconds

865 DOT Damage * 10 = 8650 Damage in total.

If we compare it to 1 minute:

-> does 346 Bleeding Damage * 1,18 (118%) = 408 DOT Damage over 60 Seconds

408 DOT Damage * 30 = 12.248 Damage in total.

If we add RP to the Skill:

-> does 771 Bleeding Damage * 2,50 (250%) = 1928 DOT Damage over 20 Seconds

1928 DOT Damage * 10 = 19280 Damage in total.

This change makes 1K Slash harder to use, because the overall damage output done by DOTs will be weaker. But it enables the ability for Crane's to win easier without 1k Slash. But it would also be a bit broken somehow.

Imagine I get you in PvP with my Sleep, I use a KD and a full RP on Burn + Freeze:

453 Burn Damage * 2,50 (250%) = 1.133 DOT Damage over 20 Seconds

1.133 DOT Damage * 10 = 11.330 DOT Damage in 20 Seconds

Freeze lasts 25 Seconds = If you are unlucky, you are dying in 1 Combo

If you are revamping 1K Slash back to 70% and reduce the Duration by DOTs and increase the DMG in DOTs, we got a good balance between both things and that'd work very well in PvP.

1K Slash will do the same Damage as it does now, but Crane will also be able to kill in a shorter time

Box-head(boxbox) · Jan 16th 2018

Quote from Danuvius

I can clearly see your idea and it'd be a cool change, because it makes Crane a fast paced Killer.

The Mystical Crane Typhoon on 5/5 WITHOUT RP (Don't base arguments too much on RP, because Crane's barely use them in PvP, on Damaging Skills atleast)

-> does 346 Bleeding Damage * 2,50 (250%) = 865 DOT Damage over 20 Seconds

865 DOT Damage * 10 = 8650 Damage in total.

If we compare it to 1 minute:

-> does 346 Bleeding Damage * 1,18 (118%) = 408 DOT Damage over 60 Seconds

408 DOT Damage * 30 = 12.248 Damage in total.

If we add RP to the Skill:

-> does 771 Bleeding Damage * 2,50 (250%) = 1928 DOT Damage over 20 Seconds

1928 DOT Damage * 10 = 19280 Damage in total.

This change makes 1K Slash harder to use, because the overall damage output done by DOTs will be weaker. But it enables the ability for Crane's to win easier without 1k Slash. But it would also be a bit broken somehow.

Imagine I get you in PvP with my Sleep, I use a KD and a full RP on Burn + Freeze:

453 Burn Damage * 2,50 (250%) = 1.133 DOT Damage over 20 Seconds

1.133 DOT Damage * 10 = 11.330 DOT Damage in 20 Seconds

Freeze lasts 25 Seconds = If you are unlucky, you are dying in 1 Combo

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Ill admit yea my idea isn't perfect

I would not call cranes a face pace killer compared to the other dps classes but I think my suggestion would help them in pvp and pve equally without making it too problematic.

I think my idea can be implemented But it may need tweeks, either on the % of damage maybe we remove rp ball on solid bleed , mystical crane typhoon, crane cyclone, dodon ray, dodon ray barrage. may help non cranes deal with it.

Chop Liver · Jan 16th 2018

Silly boxbox,

Your idea will not fly cause fighters will begin to cry.

Althought I think this idea is the right direction to go for cranes I doubt the dbog team will ever implement it, they seem to have the idea that cranes are ok as they are right now.

Your not a pivotal member of the team ; so unless I hear it from a guy like daneos or mr tempest say that this is a good idea I wont have any hope for this idea.

*peace

Revamp 1k Slash or buff Crane #don'tignorethis

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