SK nerf

Take "rising spirit" passive out. That should be DW exclusive. Anti Crit max. 20% and Bold should be under 300% base eng damage and under 200% DoT damage.

Let the rage beginn..

Big CD nerfs on Bold Strike,Steal life, and violent slice, so if u want to spam them u have to go for cd earrings. Fear and Curse have balanced cds so why can SK spam violent slice like 80 times, and have 100% uptime on steal life?

I personally think healers need a nerf with that 800% healing buff they have. It's impossible to beat them when they can fully heal themselves every 5 seconds

Dende vs Karma finale tho.

The balance is ok, it just needs more bug fixes.

SM shit on SK for exemple, but it's buggy.

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I get where you're coming from Donald, can a good SM beat a good SK? Of course, but for SM the fight is much harder, one little mistake could cost you the whole match or 1 skill's RNG not being in your favor.

Same for Turtle vs SK, Turtle has to be very careful and smart to beat an SK.

that's what make this game depends on skills and experience not just good gear + button spamming

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that's what make this game depends on skills and experience not just good gear + button spamming

I think he means its just ridiculous how if you're wearing e def gear and they land steal life you're gonna be struggling through that matchup, because combined with the amount of reflect and props its just too harsh. (Which is also why reflect needs a cap as well now that it can kill, i won fights vs my friend grim on my chef by only using reflect, 2 crits on me and he was dead, meanwhile i still had 12klp left....) And if your wear craft gear bold strike is gonna dumpster you, so SK isn't fun to fight as a human as u need pdef, e def, anti para,bleed,fear, and you can only have so many accessories.

its just not very fair that a Dk can just do what they want and sm has to use calculus if they want a chance to win

I think that the nerfing topic can be objectively approached only when we get lvl 70 cap

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I get where you're coming from Donald, can a good SM beat a good SK? Of course, but for SM the fight is much harder, one little mistake could cost you the whole match or 1 skill's RNG not being in your favor.

Same for Turtle vs SK, Turtle has to be very careful and smart to beat an SK.

Were Karmas still beatable with non nerfed Hesitation? Yes. Did that skill still need a nerf? Yes. Same logic applies here.

No Way I am Turtle with TMQ 3 Gear +12 full CON 60% antibleed +13 GLOVES and I even cant beat a lvl 40 sk

sk are izi with knock down

Quote from Sirab

I get where you're coming from Donald, can a good SM beat a good SK? Of course, but for SM the fight is much harder, one little mistake could cost you the whole match or 1 skill's RNG not being in your favor.

Same for Turtle vs SK, Turtle has to be very careful and smart to beat an SK.

Were Karmas still beatable with non nerfed Hesitation? Yes. Did that skill still need a nerf? Yes. Same logic applies here.

See from sk angle, if fight good swordman, they cant do a single skill entire round

bold & life steal ? , oh just Disable sk class than lmao , nah i got a better one , Remove all sk attacks, & switch every skill with special beam cannon to balance it off.

The fact that SK got hellzone grenade AND the rising spirit passive is just absurd, those were and should be DW exclusive skills, buffing SK like that would be like giving Melee Fox hit-stun lasers and Captain Falcons Knee.... a already Strong class gets even stronger? Stupid as fk.

I hate seeing this being plagued by noobs who just pick this shit so they can flex about how they're OP killing scrub humans who never seen E def gear before, but fail hardcore when they fight a decent player. While its true SK relies on Bold Strike and steal life, it isn't valid excuse to say just because a certain class relies on a certain skill means its omitted from getting nerfed.

I would just increase bold strikes CD by 5 seconds, make steal life not based on Pdef, but increase cast range from 15m to 25m, and increase base life leach at lvl 4 to 420 (ayy), and the big thing which i doubt daneos will do beside removing hellzone grenade and rising spirit) is reducing their subweapon damage so its similar to DWs sub damage but just a bit higher, this would help neuter bold strikes OP bleed but still force noobs to wear E def gear and antibleed.

And to compensate for the nerfs I would suggest buffing cleave and slash damage, to help vs e def armour opponents.

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This game might as well just go the full on casual route. Daneos scheduled balance for this game in Open Beta but most people on forums want balance up until 70 cap? I guess you guys want this game to die fast for your selfish needs.

There hasn't been a set date yet. It can happen sooner, or at lvl 70 cap. I can see some balance managing before lvl 70 should there be things that need nerfing or buffing like Bold Strike here.

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Reflect easily counters KD spam except most SKs aren't even good players they just hide behind the class.

reflect can be in turn handled with lots and lots of CON gear.