Transformation Stats

For Kaio-Ken, you might want to apply the boosts for 1, 2, and 3 SP (i.e. Kaio-Ken at 3 SP boosts attack power by 30% while at 1 SP it increases it by 20%).

Basically pasted from Daneos' old update thread, but it's a good reference. I still don't understand why SSJ get their hitrate boosted but no longer their success rate, though. Seems very random to leave that out. Or why their defense rate was nerfed so much. Getting knocked down was very hard in retail as SSJ, but here the transformation basically makes no difference.

Oh, you might want to update Kaioken's attack speed. It's 1.5% speed at Kaiokenx1 , 3% speed at Kaiokenx2, and 5% speed when higher than Kaiokenx2. Originally Daneos said it depended on level, but apparently he meant how many times you stack Kaioken, not SP level.

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Basically pasted from Daneos' old update thread, but it's a good reference. I still don't understand why SSJ get their hitrate boosted but no longer their success rate, though. Seems very random to leave that out. Or why their defense rate was nerfed so much. Getting knocked down was very hard in retail as SSJ, but here the transformation basically makes no difference.

Oh, you might want to update Kaioken's attack speed. It's 1.5% speed at Kaiokenx1 , 3% speed at Kaiokenx2, and 5% speed when higher than Kaiokenx2. Originally Daneos said it depended on level, but apparently he meant how many times you stack Kaioken, not SP level.

i think he was talking about energy crit rate , speed doesn't increase why u stack kaio x1 or x2 ...ect

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i think he was talking about energy crit rate , speed doesn't increase why u stack kaio x1 or x2 ...ect

It does increase your crit rate, but I think the increase in attack speed was added as well.

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It does increase your crit rate, but I think the increase in attack speed was added as well.

no it doesn't we test it in POB it increase crit +2 in each stack but doesn't increas attack speed

Kaioken is incorrect.

You can add points to kaioken increasing it's effect increasing it's effect as blaze mentioned.

Kaioken Stats:

LP - not changed

EP - not changed

physical offence - increased by 20% at 1 SP , 25% at 2 SP and 30% at 3 SP

energy offence - increased by 20% at 1 SP , 25% at 2 SP and 30% at 3 SP

physical defence - not changed

energy defence - not changed

run speed - increased by 20%

attack speed - increased by 5%

hit rate - not changed

dodge rate - not changed

block rate - not changed

curse success rate - not changed

curse resistance rate - not changed

Drains 56 LP per second per use

Drains 38 EP per second per use

1 energy critical and 1 physical critical chance per use depending on amount of use ( I don't know for sure how it works ).

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no it doesn't we test it in POB it increase crit +2 in each stack but doesn't increas attack speed

The attack speed of the Kaio-Ken is so bad that is not noticable. With 1SP spent in the skill only gives you 1.5% attack speed, 2SP gives you 3% and the third SP only gives 5% attack speed. Going Kaio-Ken x2 or more doesn't increase the attack speed, is the SP points added.

- Santo, DBOG Team

Thank you for this guys, I had been looking for exactly this

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The attack speed of the Kaio-Ken is so bad that is not noticable. With 1SP spent in the skill only gives you 1.5% attack speed, 2SP gives you 3% and the third SP only gives 5% attack speed. Going Kaio-Ken x2 or more doesn't increase the attack speed, is the SP points added.

- Santo, DBOG Team

Then what actually improves going kaioken x2 and more?

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The attack speed of the Kaio-Ken is so bad that is not noticable. With 1SP spent in the skill only gives you 1.5% attack speed, 2SP gives you 3% and the third SP only gives 5% attack speed. Going Kaio-Ken x2 or more doesn't increase the attack speed, is the SP points added.

- Santo, DBOG Team

That should be wrong. Daneos said that Kaioken x1 will give 1,5% atk speed on lv 1,2,3. If you use it again Kaioken x2 it will be 3% and if you use it a 3rd time Kaioken x3 it will be 5%.

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That should be wrong. Daneos said that Kaioken x1 will give 1,5% atk speed on lv 1,2,3. If you use it again Kaioken x2 it will be 3% and if you use it a 3rd time Kaioken x3 it will be 5%.

that would bee wayyyyy tooo usless ... in my oppinion KaioKen should bee " the most op " transformation's , know it's super saiyain by farrrr ..

Kaio should give 15% speed tbh there is a speed cap in the game anyways will not ruined anything

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Kaio should give 15% speed tbh there is a speed cap in the game anyways will not ruined anything

they do not wanna put iit as 15 % cuz they are saying that we are getting capped why to fast

in my oppinion Speed shouldn't bee capped don't know why it is ..

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they do not wanna put iit as 15 % cuz they are saying that we are getting capped why to fast

in my oppinion Speed shouldn't bee capped don't know why it is ..

Maybe because that's all people use in end-game content? Also Kaio-Ken shouldn't be something that turns any class into a DPS.

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that would bee wayyyyy tooo usless ... in my oppinion KaioKen should bee " the most op " transformation's , know it's super saiyain by farrrr ..

I know the attack speed is literally useless but the dmg from kaioken is pretty nice. Sadly you can't even use kaioken x3 because your dende will hate you and you will die pretty fast.

I never understood why Kaioken was a bit useless with all the negatives that you get while using it. Greater attack speed, but that increase isn't too noticeable (I'll let that slide since not everyone should be a DPS). More damage for physical and energy attacks is fair. But the fact that even at x3 that the stat differences are literally not worth the time bugs me, even with all the SP put into maxing it out.

here is the main problem that daneos should look too and tell mee what you guys think about it !

the main problem in my oppinion is : the Kaioken stacking kaio ken x1 and x3 there is almost no difference with them so this is making litteraly no sens

let mee say somthing : in an FAQ akira toriyama or tyotaru have said that kaio-ken x10 is more powerfull then SSJ3