Add Brown Boxes to Cash Shop

  • First of all I'm not against the idea but I also don't support it.


    -The price of brown boxes will decrease which makes it easier for free to play players to buy them and use them. Right now they go for like 2kk each, and 2 weeks ago they were 600k ea, that's over a 300% increase in price in 2 weeks...

    Sadly the prices won't decrease. People are stupid.


    -The shortage of brown boxes will be solved... (main benefit) There will be a lot more people selling them and since they will be way more common, they will be a lot cheaper.

    Sadly I think brown boxes will be the main currency again if we do this.


    -The server will receive more income which contributes to it's health and stability.

    You are right but at the same time Daneos has more than enough to support his servers (They don't cost much)


    -It will actually be possible to have good stats in our armors... I doubt anyone here has their tmq5/6 set with max or near max stats...

    It should not be that easy to get max stats.


    I understand your problem but I think brown boxes are just too toxic for this game. We need something else in cash shop to make it worth cashing.

  • I have already made a comprehensive argumant in a previous thread as to why brown boxes should be added to the cash shop.


    Please add these in.


    I can't win them in WAGU, I am just throwing my money away, it is ridiculously unfair that others are winning these things and I am not. This is a massively unfair system.


    I am not willing to pay 2kk for 1 brown box, which is what people are asking for due to the demand being hugely more than the supply.


    The boss event way of obtaining them is utterly stupid, it is way too expensive. 2 Gold Coins and 500k?????? Seriously?????


    When I have been buying them at stupidly inflated prices, I am not getting even remotely acceptable stats.


    Being able to buy them directly will help the game economy as demand wont hugely outweigh supply anymore.


    You need frigging hundereds if not thousands of these things to do anything with them. Of course somebody will luck out and get what they want in 5 boxes, but lets face it, the chances of getting the exact stat you want is in the thousands.


    All of the people who are making significant contributions to this server seem to overwhelmingly support adding brown boxes.


    All of the people who are playing for free need to accept that they are only doing so because of the people who are contributing, stop crying.


    Add them into the loot table in sensible amounts (10 or 20 etc) in CC Dungeon so there is a % chance of obtaining them to appease non cashers.


    Significantly increase the amount you can obtain from the boss event to appease non cashers. They are stupidly overpriced, and what are you going to do with 1 brown box?


    Cashers will always be better geared than non cashers in this game. There is nothing that is going to change this. People will use the cash shop to make zenie regardless of what is in there and buy what they want anyway.


    Being able to buy them for cash points will allow people a better chance to get what they want for a moderate outlay of cash, rather than the gambling system in place, which seems to be there solely to make as much money as possible with zero care to the balance of the game. It is actually this system that has completely destroyed the economy in the game already, and we are not even out of 55 cap.

  • I agree either give us a way to attain boxes at a reasonable rate(not current event 1 box for 2 gold coin nonsense) or put them as cash item. I admittedly am a low end casher and have got nothing of value (rank0 almost exclusively) which is fine it is what it is, but there’s no incentive for me to Donate further other than the occasional xp scroll. I have no problem farming and grinding away to obtain these boxes, but currently there isn’t an efficient way to do this.

  • Please add these in.


    I can't win them in WAGU, I am just throwing my money away, it is ridiculously unfair that others are winning these things and I am not. This is a massively unfair system.

    WAGU is a "slot machine." No one's forcing you to spend your cash points on a slot machine. It's the same as going to the Casino and complaining to the owner that you're just losing money. It's luck. If everyone put money and had everything handed down by Daneos, everyone would be bored and stop playing.

    I am not willing to pay 2kk for 1 brown box, which is what people are asking for due to the demand being hugely more than the supply.

    Then spend your cash on something else and make zeni selling to players, then buy brown boxes. Or you can simply suggest that they increase the reward by killing the world bosses. lol


    Being able to buy them directly will help the game economy as demand wont hugely outweigh supply anymore.

    Of course it's going to be great for the economy. You will be able to buy 300 of them and exchange for equipment, as the main currency of the game will be brown boxes again.


    All of the people who are making significant contributions to this server seem to overwhelmingly support adding brown boxes.

    Only in this topic have four or more that contribute to the game and do not support this idea.


    All of the people who are playing for free need to accept that they are only doing so because of the people who are contributing, stop crying.

    Good Ad hominem argument. Congratulations, you really know how to argue your ideas.


    Cashers will always be better geared than non cashers in this game. There is nothing that is going to change this. People will use the cash shop to make zenie regardless of what is in there and buy what they want anyway.

    It always will be, but there's no need to make it more p2w than it already is, correct?



    Let me correct your last sentence:



    Being able to buy them for cash points will allow people me a better chance to get what I want for a moderate outlay of cash, rather than the gambling system in place, which seems to be there solely to make as much money as possible with zero care to the balance of the game just preventing me and others from getting things easier and screwing the economy of the game by buying a lot of boxes and swapping for equipment, besides getting rich easier than already is.


    It is actually this system that has completely destroyed the economy in the game already in the past, and we are not even out of 55 cap want to bring it back.

  • Turning your opinion into a personal attack is just pathetic.


    Your arguments are nonconstructive and poor, and you are completely and utterly missing the point.


    You are to caught up in your own interests to see the point being raised here.


    I have already suggested they raise the reward for killing the boss, and also adding them to the cc loot table, You obviously scanned right past that.


    Selling items for zenie and then buying what you want with it is exactly the thing that has broken this game economy.


    Everybody would get bored and stop playing? Like they will anyway a few months after 70 cap. Well as things are now, people may well feel like rage quitting and charging back their purchases because they cant get what they want.


    Anyway, I'm done talking to you.

  • I'd just like to point out that with 3 hours of farming I can get 5-6 brown boxes, not mentioning the possible stones / legendary drops.


    Brown box is an item that is very desired by the community, but it will harm the market waaaaaay more than people think. Do I need to remind you what happened on pre-open beta? People used Box and dogiball as currency, and it was a huge shitfest. I couldn't do anything with my 4kkk zeni in my bank, so I bought boxes and got whatever I wanted.


    Boxes are limited items that should be obtained if you WORK FOR IT, such as.. farm, like normal people do. I agree that having a low amount of boxes is just bad, because you have to work a LOT for a few boxes. Maybe adding them as drops to HARD dungeons (UD2 hard, ud3 hard, etc) would help a tiny bit, but adding them back to cash shop is just a huge no.


    Following the logic of OP, Brown boxes raise in price, and they got up by 300% in 2 weeks, so if the boxes get added to cash shop, cashers can simply buy boxes and sell them for zeni, which would completely destroy the economy, and it would cause a huge outrage by f2p players.

  • Yeah let dominate cashers even more f2p players, add also silver boxes and random items lvl70 +15 in wagu wagu.
    Brown boxes will ruin everything, cashers in few days will get best accesorries and items.
    Typical rich boy who want get everything for real money.

  • Back in the good old days of DBO we were able to drop good stuff from mobs. For example, you could drop lvl 70 gloves legendary with 25%/26% speed or max crit etc. We need this back. In POB this has never happened to me and i am a hardcore farmer. I heard some ppl dropped close to max. effect stuff (legendary) but that was it. But it shouldn't be too easy too!

    Putting boxes back in the cash shop will end up in them being the main ingame currency again! And this should never happen!!!


    If we get back the chance to drop good sh*t by farming as i wrote above, together with the brown box situation right now, we would have a good balance. If Daneos decides to add them back then i want them to be bind! (no option to unbind) Don't wanna see server flooded with boxes and ppl only sell sh*t for boxes. And they should be less in the amount and a little harder to get. What would a casher do with 200+ boxes that are bind? (after he has whatever effects he/she wanted).


    It would be cool to get good sh*t with work instead of just cashing your way to max. stats. People will farm more if they know you can drop max. stat stuff.

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  • my suggestion would be to add them as normal mob drops like u 55 white stones, if they dont want it in cash shop or the event boss is overpriced. if they would add them in dungeons for example we would have the next problem: not every class is welcome in partys .

    I like this idea, and its true that a lot of classes have trouble getting into dungeons. My ulti has no trouble, but my better geared fighter can't.


    Only issue is 1 white stone is great, it either saves your item from hitting +0 or losing a point if you fail, and if you succeed then you don't care that is wasn't needed.


    The problem with brown boxes is that while it only takes 1 box to get what you want, 1 box on its own is almost entirely worthless, you generally need a high quantity to get an acceptable stat.


    Perhaps they could increase the drop rate on browns compared to white stones.

  • Guys you should realize that brown boxes are too toxic for the economy. Having alot of brown boxes is bad for the game. It's not important where they are from (Cash shop, PVE).

    Simply make them permanently binded and they no longer are.


    They where always binded in retail, and as a result nobody could use them as a form of currency.


    You where unable to unbind items like brown boxes in retail.

  • Yes, we should obtain good items and maybe boxes actually by PLAYING, because now you just cant play without cashing. They have everything from wagu, selling boxes and u70. People who actually play cant obtain anything, mostly just cheap white stones. U cant do any tmq 5/6 because they are giving up after ten runs without even legendary item. The most of them said that "dungeons are boring, I dont want to do this". Of course, because they just can buy these items for zeni (selling u70 and boxes, dogi balls). Go and make 200kk zeni without cashing to buy just one fcking attack speed gloves...

  • my suggestion would be to add them as normal mob drops like u 55 white stones, if they dont want it in cash shop or the event boss is overpriced. if they would add them in dungeons for example we would have the next problem: not every class is welcome in partys .

    lmao stop suggest things, if your class is not welcome in party make alt that is welcome like everyone do.
    here should be 35% chance to get brown box or dogi ball as bonus from TMQ if is finished in best time (from TMQ at your lvl) nothing else.
    I also don't understand what these boxed are doing in wagu wagu with u70, it should be removed.

  • Yes, we should obtain good items and maybe boxes actually by PLAYING, because now you just cant play without cashing. They have everything from wagu, selling boxes and u70. People who actually play cant obtain anything, mostly just cheap white stones. U cant do any tmq 5/6 because they are giving up after ten runs without even legendary item. The most of them said that "dungeons are boring, I dont want to do this". Of course, because they just can buy these items for zeni (selling u70 and boxes, dogi balls). Go and make 200kk zeni without cashing to buy just one fcking attack speed gloves...

    To be honest, the dungeons are boring because.


    1) They are extremely basic compared to most MMO's out there.


    2) Are the same dungeons we have been doing since 2010.


    On one of your other points:


    TMQ 6 is almost impossible to do because everybody just wants to farm the first boss over and over again.


    Farming is all well and good, but its not like a fighter is going to be wanted in CC, they aren't even wanted for basic TMQs, most want to use some sort of META.


    Also farming random mobs as a fighter yes is easy, however it is even easier and more effective for a turtle to do the same.


    The game is geared around ranged damage, and also highely favours AOE. Its total garbage that a turtle hermit can crit for more than a fighter, and at the same time hit 20 mobs in 1 move.


    In any reasonable game, AOE damage would be somewhat shared around or mitigated against multiple enemies, or the base potency of the attack would be reduced significantly if it where to hit multiple enemies.


    I did CC the other day, and a turtle was one shotting the entire floor for most of the run to 50. I could barely get my Ulti's spin off before the floor was cleared. Who in the hell is going to take a fighter over a turtle.

  • Let me remind you of what you wrote.

    Turning your opinion into a personal attack is just pathetic.

    Am I really using my opinion to attack someone? And so you wrote it:


    All of the people who are playing for free need to accept that they are only doing so because of the people who are contributing, stop crying.

    Really? OK, next...


    Your arguments are nonconstructive and poor, and you are completely and utterly missing the point.


    You are to caught up in your own interests to see the point being raised here.

    Really? Lets check what you wrote:

    I can't win them in WAGU, I am just throwing my money away, it is ridiculously unfair that others are winning these things and I am not. This is a massively unfair system.

    Is this a joke? Am I seeing my own interests or are you?


    I have already suggested they raise the reward for killing the boss, and also adding them to the cc loot table, You obviously scanned right past that.

    Easy to say that after reading my reply and editing your first post about 7 times.


    Selling items for zenie and then buying what you want with it is exactly the thing that has broken this game economy.

    Every f2p MMORPG that sells exchangeable items in cash stop is like that and the economy of many of them is not broken. Even some paid MMORPGs with exchangeable cosmetics is like that.

    Everybody would get bored and stop playing? Like they will anyway a few months after 70 cap. Well as things are now, people may well feel like rage quitting and charging back their purchases because they cant get what they want.


    Anyway, I'm done talking to you.

    Speak perphaps for yourself and for those who will leave because they can not charge $500 in the game and be full + 15 with max stat instantly.


    Yeah yeah... See you again in April Fools Day next year.

  • As I said, I am done talking to you.

  • lmao stop suggest things, if your class is not welcome in party make alt that is welcome like everyone do.
    here should be 35% chance to get brown box or dogi ball as bonus from TMQ if is finished in best time (from TMQ at your lvl) nothing else.
    I also don't understand what these boxed are doing in wagu wagu with u70, it should be removed.

    i dont have problem with that. sure i use alt chars for this. i was just talking for all classes who are non cahser. i dont think they have better chance with other chars when they dont have decent gear. and even when they have good gear, drops are not in capsules and binds anyway. so its not possible to give them to the mainchar. btw at the start of pre open beta the items were not in capsules. they changed it later.


    about the market: it ruins the ecconomy becouse they are NOT BIND. make boxes, dogi balls, and even white stones binds and the problem is solved. i even dont understand why boxes from event boss are binds but not these from cash shop. the same with dogi balls. ccbd binds but wagu not. nice logic.

  • Just make Brown boxes as drop of TMQ/UD just like Seal Coins drop or just completly remove from game + increase a bit legendary drop from UD/TMQ with better stats.


    In few weeks DBO:G will be like:

    1. Level up 1-70

    2. Buy Cash Points

    3. Buy boxes, Stones

    4. Upgrade gear

    5. Spend Your time on platform.


    You should do something to make ppl play UD/TMQ.