Should advance stones give +2-3 everytime it is success

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You are the more negative person i have see in my life. I was looking old forum thread and i never see you thinking , talking , or even saying yes....

You are a negative person , in tw +10 was rare because white stone was only cashs shop items and it was very hard and expensive to cash on tw when u was europen etc , stop talking shit i had many china japen friend +14 + on tw.

On dbog person upgrading 13 and over all the day , are always the same person , Musoloni (idk write his name) and xingge, xxbufferxx ( china ) all this person are hard cashers even if Muss farm etc he stay a big casher so its why he can make izi upgrade

You talking about game death , i told u 10 times all the server can be +20 or +5 if daneos don t add events , tmq's etc, then yeah the game will die by this issue

Okey ,

In my opinion i think giving +2 minimum to avdvanced or -1 broken will be very very nice idea.

It will be more hard then POB and easier then now , good balance.

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The reason on why you barely see me saying Yes is cuz most of suggestions are made for making ingame life easier. And i don't want this game easier. Also i'm sure there a lot more ppl that think that way but just don't care to post xD

Yes, white stones were cash shop only so F2P ppl ate sh*t. But here we can all drop them now. ---> Making it easier for everyone and i wanted that to happen too. Were your friends cashers or F2P who made Zeni ingame by farming etc.? Cuz rich F2P ppl also went +10 and higher cuz they could afford it.

So you say Daneos should make Upgrading easier so we can get +12 or more easy af as long as he does events? The f*ck is wrong with you lmao. What kind of game would that be? Just try to get the files and make a Server yourself for that sh*t and see where it goes....down the drain i tell you.

I'm still on No. Upgrade is simple RNG gamble in this Game. With a little luck you don't need many stones to +12. Happened to me in POB. Had +6 staff for my poko. Boxed it and got 26% atk speed and upgraded it from +6 straight to +12 with only 2 purple stones and no white stone. Pure luck was on my side. Rare, but happens. We already got it easier for that upgrade gamble by having Daneos remove old break option and adding white stones to mob drop. That alone pushes your overall luck in upgrading.

You can't lose your item and as long as you got stones you can try forever. Once you hit the luck, you get good results.

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The reason on why you barely see me saying Yes is cuz most of suggestions are made for making ingame life easier. And i don't want this game easier. Also i'm sure there a lot more ppl that think that way but just don't care to post xD

Yes, white stones were cash shop only so F2P ppl ate sh*t. But here we can all drop them now. ---> Making it easier for everyone and i wanted that to happen too. Were your friends cashers or F2P who made Zeni ingame by farming etc.? Cuz rich F2P ppl also went +10 and higher cuz they could afford it.

So you say Daneos should make Upgrading easier so we can get +12 or more easy af as long as he does events? The f*ck is wrong with you lmao. What kind of game would that be? Just try to get the files and make a Server yourself for that sh*t and see where it goes....down the drain i tell you.

I'm still on No. Upgrade is simple RNG gamble in this Game. With a little luck you don't need many stones to +12. Happened to me in POB. Had +6 staff for my poko. Boxed it and got 26% atk speed and upgraded it from +6 straight to +12 with only 2 purple stones and no white stone. Pure luck was on my side. Rare, but happens. We already got it easier for that upgrade gamble by having Daneos remove old break option and adding white stones to mob drop. That alone pushes your overall luck in upgrading.

You can't lose your item and as long as you got stones you can try forever. Once you hit the luck, you get good results.

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Ok im gonna cite you 2 populare game where the upgrade is meduim (balanced ) , who have dbo community players x 450

-Aion

-Tera

In those game upgrade is not that hard , well , u have different lvl of dangeons and pvp/pve world boss evne u are full + 15 i fu don t have the skill/knwolege about it , u will loose .

You are the only person who can t understand what im talking about if there is no event in the game all person will left before rush + 13

funny how everybody discuss about not important things while we have the worst pvp balance in the whole internet, keep discuss about upgrades and when you are full +15 you will realize how bad this game is cause u will still get 1 or 2 shotted

every day we getting no sense suggestions and polls while the good one are forgotten in same day, daneos does not play this game and he is not old player like some players, sometimes he make no sense changes and updates because he read a lot of bullshit on this forum and he is getting even more confused, upgrade system is already changed and it's easier than it was but still once per week we getting threads about it, some moderator should control these polls and suggestions, how many threads we will get about same shlt that already had its change, i dont see sense in it at all. Maybe let's start fixing this game and not making it more autistic.

In my honest opinion as much as I hate the upgrade system myself for screwing me sometimes, and my friends. I don't believe advanced stones should be buffed without the punishment getting worse.

Isaac Newton once said "Everything has a opposite but equal reactions" if you want DBOG to stay balanced you nerf something regarding a specific feature to balance the buff it received. I personally would rather the upgrade system stay the same, rather than it get changed for ex: Adv stones= +2-3 on success but break= -3. Back in TW if you were lucky a break would mean only -2, if you were unfortunate you lost 4 levels.

Most of your time spent grinding in this game will be farming for stones in order to upgrade your armor, if you make it easier to upgrade your armor people will "finish" the game hell a lot faster. Thus killing the already half-dead game.

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But if you DO change the upgrade system according to what the poll voters want at the bare minimum bring back the original break feature( break= rip item without white and -2 to -4).

I've played this game for roughly a year straight with a couple short breaks here and there that lasted a couple days, throughout the entirety of POB I've learnt how to play most of the classes in the entire game. By grinding relentlessly roughly 5-10 hours a day for 1-2 weeks straight I managed to get an entire set of plus 12-13 armor, if you know what you're doing you have a good chance of getting really amazing gear. However I do admit that I was extremely lucky with the first set, but if I manage to get another set or two of full plus 12-13 with the current upgrade system I don't believe it should be changed. Create buffers, a farmer, and your main(if your main fits one or more of these requirements, good for you! You have it easier than others) and save up money/whites/normal stones for a week straight and see what you get. You're more than likely going to be happy with the results of your grinding.

P.S. By the way I deleted that +12-13 armor set for the hell of it lol.

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Doing this will not change the difficulty of getting success in upgrade so how would making advance give +2 at least or make broken give -1 will help players get +15?

hmm let's think you getting +2 and +3 all time and losing only -1 hmmm how it can make +15 more easy hmmmmmmm????

just fcking pointless to tryhard +15 specially on armor you will see go farm 500 hours and then you still die in 2 seconds

better complain about balance in the game before talk about upgrade system ( and yes this system is retarded and should be added to a casino slot game)

These votes dont mean anything. Who cares about 48 people voting for some dumb change? Whats next? Will we vote for balance changes? Wow all the SK mains voted against nerfs such a shock. But they also complained about not being able to kill dende so lets vote vor dende nerfs. Oh wow would you look at that dende now has 20% less health.

Grow up and stop making these redundant vote threads that accomplish absolutely nothing.

Acting all entitled just because you are able to be collectively frustrated and click a button.

No shit that some snowflakes get mad cause their purple and green pixels only gave +1.

Instead of upgrading, just buy stuff already upgraded. I spent 250kk (which i grinded for about 2 week straight 2-3 hours a day) on upgrading a sword and the highest was +11. I could of just bought a +13 or higher sword for less than 250kk.

When the main system of your game is just straight RNG, it will fail, which is why you see the playerbase getting lower and lower by each cap.

In my opinion, upgrading should take a certain amount of advanced stones for each upgrade.

For example

+6-7 = 3 purple stones

+7-8 = 5 purple stones

+8-9 = 8 purple stones

+9-10 = 10 purple stones

+10-11 = 12 purple stones

+11-12= 15 purple stones

+12-13 = 18 purple stones

+13-14 = 21 purple stones

+14-15 = 24 purple stones

(116 stones in total to reach +15)

If purples cost around 3.5kk each, it should take around 400kk to get +15 on a weapon.

On average, you farm about 10kk per hour(including stones and trash), so it would take around 40 days of grinding 1 hours a day to guarantee your weapon to be +15.

In comparison to grinding, if you are a casher, it would cost around $200 to reach +15 on a weapon(Lvl up 30s can sell for about 10-15kk, so every $100 spent, you get around 200kk-250kk)

This would make players have a set goal and get them motivated to play the game and grind for their gear.

Well upgrade needs a change for sure. Something needs to be done. But not what was suggested here or so far overall. xD

Those are just frustrated suggestions. I got f*cked two days ago trying to upgrade my DW claws and it hurt hard af cuz every single stone i used was from farming in 55 cap, I just couldn't go past +9 for some reason. Ended up at +10 now...after 15 purples, 35 whites, about 60 reds....

But i am still against this suggestion. We need to find a solution without making it too easy. Or do what Lostcoco wrote. Not the upgrade sh*t he wrote xD.

Farm money and buy upgraded sh*t. That is the easiest way atm. Once you have like 100-150kk the upgraded sh*t looks cheap af. And thank god i'm good with zeni atm. Lost my stones but still got them moneyzzzzz xD

Quote from DangerLord54

so 48 players out of 70 voted yes sooooo... should advacne give +2 minimum?

Nah fam. This Vote means nothing. Daneos himself or a Staff Member has to do that kind of poll. And it should be in other Languages too. Then the poll would mean something. And if they did that for this suggestion, it would end up in ppl mostly going for Yes, cuz it's easier to them. So having polls like that is actually a bad thing in this community that doesn't like challenges. Everything has to be easy and fast. That's what 90% here want. Which is wrong af.

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Then the poll would mean something

It won't and probably never will, trust me. Talking from a similar tentative my colleague Syren has taken before which ended with no result.

Quote from Rybo

It won't and probably never will, trust me. Talking from a similar tentative my colleague Syren has taken before which ended with no result.

That`s good. Upgrading system is easier than it was before. There is no reason to make it even easier.

I never sell lvl60+ stones, the zeni I have is mostly from selling junk, I use every single stone I get on my own gear. It is frustrating to spend days farming only to end up with a worse gear + than I originally had before I started farming. Basically it IS frustrating to go backwards when you are spending time playing to achieve some progress with your character. Personally the 100% RNG dependency is what is driving me apart from the game, this game needs to reward players based on how much time they spend playing the damn game for once.

also

*flashbacks to the missing tradeable CC mats poll by the staff*