A new title, general balance of the game and new ideas

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And your proof is where exactly, because I only have +10 weapons and +8 armor.

its super easy to get +8 armor with just blues , i usually get +7 or +8 with blues then use green and +10 weapons is butter with couple stones.

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Reason for high upgrades is whites stones are now drop able , remove them from drops people wont risk going +10 or higher this is how it was in TW

Oh and that was great. Everyone either sucked or cashed. Remind me, how do we play TW now?

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Oh and that was great. Everyone either sucked or cashed. Remind me, how do we play TW now?

white stones from golden chest not drop, give them some value and make them come into the game less, this game needs some p2w, f2p players just play game for free waste up memory and not contribute to server, okay, reason how private servers die.

I applaud your logic. EA wishes for more customers like you

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I applaud your logic. EA wishes for more customers like you

Yup. Golden chest drop and key from cash shop(token shop for "f2p") so f2p gets some zeni :p. I love your sarcasm

You can't really balance PVE in this game without creating an impact on PVP and vice-versa. So from a PVPer point of view this nerf isn't good, and from a PVEer point of view ya'll need to stop thinking that a speed parties are the only way to get CC done, traditional tanks can still tank CC, less practical but still doable. People will always find an easier way to beat instances.

PS: All budokai semi finals consist in 3+ SKs, if that doesn't say anything about what balance changes need to be done I don't know what will. Daneos

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your argument is an invalid

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Bad Picollo I am asking you very much, sword tank 90 cc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSUoCiVAHA

Nerf nerf and again nerf race human and majin.

Nerf nerf and again nerf Namekian race especially SK.

this thread start from the idea where tank can't go to cc, but it is not true because they can only people dont want them.

If i play poko and wan to go to budokai who take me? xd

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Sadly the dbog staff is motivating the community to give ideas. That is the worst way to do it.

couldn't agree more.

this server is already several times easier than retail

and people is still suggesting ideas to make it even easier

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Bad Picollo I am asking you very much, sword tank 90 cc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSUoCiVAHA

Nerf nerf and again nerf race human and majin.

And? And what? This video is from HK and kinswkk had pretty op gear and in the whole server only kinsk and pop were able to tank in CC but they had op gear, if you think that random human will tank something in cc then you have mental issue im not sure if even TW had sword like him.

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You can't really balance PVE in this game without creating an impact on PVP and vice-versa. So from a PVPer point of view this nerf isn't good, and from a PVEer point of view ya'll need to stop thinking that a speed parties are the only way to get CC done, traditional tanks can still tank CC, less practical but still doable. People will always find an easier way to beat instances.

Actually there is a way,its called class restrictions and can be applied on instances,as budokai being an instance, it can be done,although as a private server it can be harsh due to emulation,which might be transferred as lag.

I disagree with the whole thread nerf,but i agree in the role part,classes are there to make the change and not to be all the same,well almost the same,gear is the most enigmatic aspect of the game,which in a common way,they should enhance class abilities and not the base stats of it,base stats should be standard for every different class and untouchable,transformations and buffs should be the only way to increase those.

Upgrade should increase ability stats,attributes and properties,not base defense and attack,at least not that much.

Everyone should have at least 2 characters to fully enjoy the game and not having 1 main with 3 or more different gear sets to have fun.

Anyways,hope life is treating everyone well,enjoy life,thanks for reading,cya around...cheers

You can't nerf Ultimate/Grand's armor because they're one of the lowest damage dealing classes in the game without Poko/Dende's heals to recover their health instantly. You'd render them completely useless in solo PvP because they're a terrible DPS and they're unable to tank their opponents damage. If their opponent has a good amount of anti-candy they can render their only good CC useless in PvP, if it's a Turtle they can sleep lock; a SK can either charge RP for knock out, or spam their moves sometimes dealing enough damage to kill them. Lets not forget the fact there aren't many Chef/Ultimates who can tank CC90-100, some die in the earlier stages even with +14-15. Parties are still more than willing to accept SK/DW as their "tanks" as long as they provide good debuffs, and tank well enough to make the run successful.

If you've done the math correctly a Majin with the best currently obtainable armor has inferior health and defense when put next a SK/DW with the best equipment. Mudosa armor gives 860 defense; it's almost as strong as CC90 Majin armor. If we're going by physical defense and health alone Ultimates can't compare to DWs, and that's if you don't include their DP which recovers half their health per mob/player they land it on. As a former SK who's played the class for a while, I can safely say SK kind of a berserker class hardly just a "tank". They have 3 CCs(that's not including Mystic attack[Their grab]), life steal, and Bold strike which is one of the most damage dealing moves in the entire game(thanks to it's bleed). Sure SKs tank insanely well, however you've gotta take into consideration that SK plays as an amazing DPS in PvP and PvE. DW's the real tank out of the two warrior subclasses, it has low DPS but makes up for it with their high health/defense.

Should SM be able to tank CC? In my opinion no, this is an MMORPG tanks are meant to be tanks, and DPS are meant to be DPS. But can you change SM in a way that disables their tanking capability while maintaining the classes viability? There's only so much Daneos can do to control the balance of the game, at best he does nothing to minimize the damage dealt to the game's balance. In conclusion if you're gonna cry about SKs not being good tanks anymore you better be ready to face the repercussions changes made to the game will cause, for example a damage nerf, or Ultimate damage buff. When you buff something you've gotta nerf it in some way shape or form to balance the changes.

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so even a dragon clan would lose its value

That is probably the most ridiculous post i have ever seen throughout my time playing DBOG, you need to get your brain checked.

Quote from DreameR68

Do you guys still not realize where the problem is?

We are lvl 60. Nearly everyone has +12 +13 gear. Max prop. Max atk speed, max crit dmg nearly everything maxed.

Def stats of gear are nearly the same for all classes just a small difference.
CC is capped at Floor 100.

I'm not sure how it was back on tw but I think CC 120 was the limit for Lvl 60 and it was pretty hard to get +12 gear. Even harder to get max prop on earrings and good stats on weapons. Now we get our gear way to easy and fast. We are just to strong already for CC 100 so it's normal that "every" class can tank or that every class will do dmg because base stats are nearly the same only big difference is in LP.

A simple example SK has around the same base dmg as Turtle. Same for buffer or dende.

Defense the same sure there is still a bit of a difference but if you just make your gear +2 higher it will be the same.

My opinion:

The whole changes with

• remove broken
• increase stone drop rate
• give brown boxes for f2p
• give alot of brown boxes for cashers
• add seal coins to cc dungeon (good idea but rates are to high)
• add dogi balls to cc dungeon even make rare dogi ball 100% from CC 100 (good idea but rates to high)
• to many dogis

killed this game already. Also back on tw classes was designed specially for pvp / pve. The dbog team / community tried / tries to make every class good in everything. Sadly that's not something you can do with just changing some values. The best idea would have been to get back to retail version (exactly the same) and start changing from that point.

I think this game is already lost.

Another problem is we have to many people who think they know how to balance a game and just give their input. People don't think about that is good for the game instead they think either about themselfs or how to make the community happy (with giving them free items or making the game easier).

Sadly the dbog staff is motivating the community to give ideas. That is the worst way to do it. As a developer there are some rules you should follow while communicating with your customer:

• The customer doesn't know what he wants so you should only listen to his problems not his solutions
• Try to understand the situation of the customer and what his real problem is. Most of the times even the customer doesn't know his real problem he only thinks he knows it.
• Nothing more comes to my mind right now.

Thanks for reading

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I agree with something, but I don't agree on a few things. In TW in level 60 cap it was much more easier to get max stats on your gear. They were giving everyone brown and silver boxes for just logging into the game everyday. This way in TW I was able to box my earrings and 2x mudosa set armors very easy. Here in DBOG, I can't get anything on a single earring or a single mudosa jacket. I see some people here using hundreds of brown boxes to get an effect they want on the earring. In TW upgrade system was madness, you had to buy white stones for 1bill just to upgrade your gear one time. Well here in DBOG is opposite, much easier to upgrade gear, but harder to get stats you want.

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DangerLord54 tell me why such races as majin or human can calmly do set with cc 90 and namek no longer ?, if namek makes a set with ccbd90 it will significantly lower defs and it is then unprofitable, and if namek does a set of mudosa fact will gain defs, but it will significantly lower some bonuses, such as focus, con, lp% etc ..., so why namek in terms of items should be worse than other races in terms of items?

Well why do you want majin and human to be nerf so namek can be the gods again? Why are you complaining just because human and majin can be tanks now? every class can become tanks with majin buffs. Just go and make a party of your own, i do it everytime and i always get a party within 10-20 minutes. I don't know why are you making this so complicated and persisting to nerf the majin and human, have you even seen how many people that have said NO to your nerfing when comparing to people who said yes? why don't you just grow up and stop arguing just because you can't get into CC? And this is the last time i'll say this. Tanks can not be the best class forever, other class have to get better than them eventually.