Posts by Sabin

Quote from Syren

If thats the way you want to look at it then you can counter that no problem. Option 1 go full anti para 100% anti para = No sudden stun. Option 2 soon as match starts slow the turtle then freeze soon as freeze is applied sleep him then go ahead with the combo. No matter how you look at it a good crane will own every turtle no matter who is behind the keyboard

option 2 is beaten by a turtle going for sleep right after freeze. Freeze doesn't lock the target after the CC is done(unless it's somehow different here). All he has to do is spam the skill and slow takes 1 second , you won't sleep the turtle first, your best bet is option 1 in fact, but even so if both go for sleep at the same time it becomes a matter of ping here , either way Most turtles here might've sucked if they don't know this, its basic.

Quote from Syren

lol trust me as crane you hope for fights against turtles because they are easy wins every time. Soon as match starts you freeze wait till end of freeze duration then sleep. Turtles can do nothing because discs are not instant they have a delay which means freeze will just cancel his discs if he trys to use discs. There is only 1 way a Turtle would beat a good crane and that is if the Crane has awful ping and the turtle has good ping in which the turtle will use turtle book at the start of the match then when the crane trys to sleep the turtle uses Turtle Rod KD this will cancel the cranes sleep and therfore give turtle the upper hand in which he can disc them and then sleep. Martial artists are a problem for spiritualists but mainly swordsman. Fighter is too RNG for me to say fighters are easy. And yes making the waves 15m would be fine but if it happens or not is up to Daneos.

Actually, a smart turtle playing a good crane is 50/50 pretty much , it goes to guessing.

if after freeze you go to sleep first, he can dash and sudden stun you, if you go to slow first he can go to sleep and sleep you first.

Quote from Syren

I agree. The only time i found myself wishing Thousand Slashes was stronger is against karmas because you dont have much time to get the job done.

39% Jacket, 15% Title, 10% gloves, 2x 20 Con Rings You will have around 13-14k LP this is more than enough to deal with fighters. As long as you are not paper and you actually put effort in upgrading your gears. Base Damage needles are nothing to ride home about they are very average in damage. As for swordsman you would not wear anti crit you would go full con or when focus is working you might even go full focus in order to make his combo a lot harder to do since his stuns are much shorter. The AOE has nothing to do with what i mean when i say broken. 35m Instant stun if that is not broken i dont know what is. Even if they use 100% anti confuse you can then fire the 35m paralysis in which they will have no time to switch accessories. My video of showing thousand slashes early dbog times was just me showing the difference of now and back then.

I feel like the balance here hears cries instead of factual data. There is one crane winning in a budokai filled with 31 sk's , fighters and karmas but somehow that one crane is penalized.

Most games there is a job called game designer where he is responsable to evaluate data before applying buffs and nerfs. It seems like the job is vacant here.

Quote from Syren

Well remember these bleeds do around 1-1.2k dmg every 2 seconds with RP Dmg but if you want to think of it like that and want to see Cranes play without bleeds and just burns then watch the video below. Solid Burn + RP DMG does almost 1000 every 2 seconds anyway so its pretty much the same. So you can imagine 1000 Solid Burn (AOE) then Thousand Slashes 1 shots pretty much anything back then.

What scares me is that people don't realise the change to 40% wouldn't actually change the outcome of those matches. On the video sendoku uses 3 to 4 solid burns before using 1k slashes, his targets were way bellow 50% life he is basically bypassing auto pots in that video. He is hitting 17k damage with 3 solid burns, if you decrease in that video the damage to 40% instead of 70 they would still be hit by 9714.

That's a 2 minute cooldown skill hitting for 9k , all you'd have to do is making sure the target is bellow that mark and you bypass the auto pot. Meaning players will still complain that cranes are op and will ask for nerfs on a skill that needs a lot of preparation ( in the video you showed us I can see holes in his combo that can be easilly exploited). Decreasing any less the damage and we are talking lv 45 levels of damage here on a 2 minute skill. I just hope the skill doesn't suffer any more rebalances but I'm skeptical.

Quote from Syren

This is a video of Thousand Slashes in DBOG before it was changed.

It was nerfed because i agree it was too OP but i think it is still a bit underpowerd right now but thats just my opinion.

LOL.

He uses dodon ray with RP ( a bleed ) , then dodon barrage with RP ( also a bleed ) and then the thousand slash skill crits. Had that player be wearing 100% anti bleed in that video he would've been hit close to 0 damage on crit.

Cranes have to rely on Solid Burn in pvp , I can't wait to see vids of solid burns doing 6k damage with the new patch on a 2 minutes skills while also getting hit for 40k from fighters on a 16s cooldown skill.

Quote from Danuvius

They didn't test the class properly, the DOT defenses weren't working and the nerf was based on plat

Isn't it funny how some players that have some op classes can just ask daenos for nerfs so they can keep winning? I wonder, in a game that skill isn't a requirement where do you draw the line and choose what class will be the strongest one?

Quote from Danuvius

It got reduced to only deal 40% DOT damage, which is considering the CD time pretty low

holy crap, for a 2 minutes skills that's a huge nerf. Why did cranes got such a huge nerf but some broken classes didn't?

Quote from Syren

Hi,

1. Thousand Slashes does not need Bleeds to be strong if you played during the times where Thousand Slashes was strong all you would need is 1 solid burn + RP Dmg and then use thousand slashes and you can hit super high damages.

2. Im not sure why Lost in Time was removed but i guess somewhere on the lines of 'its OP'

3. Cranes are the counter for turtles and if played right cranes will own turtles with ease.

4. Plasma Majin is not that bad since you can go full anti confuse make them waste there conufsion then switch to full anti para and you will win. Karma on the other hand is the ultimate counter for cranes and it is very hard to beat them.

5. Fighter is all luck related, If you put in the effort and grind and you obtain 64% anti crit then you have a real good chance to beat fighters. Swordsman is the counter for both spiritualists and if they are a good swordsman you will struggle no matter what gear you have.

I personally would like to see Lost in time return since it made cranes more versatile in pvp. Changing the waves to work without a DOT applied would just be broken 35m instant Para 35m instant confusion no ty. I would like to see the cooldown on them decreased.

There is no need to be offensive to Danuvius he was just stating his opinion. Please keep it civil.

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I'm curious, how was thousand slashes nerfed?

Quote from Tempest

Hi,

The token shop (and how players earn tokens) is currently in the process of being adjusted so that it will be similar to the old system but distributed differently so that low level characters (such as level 1 characters) cannot farm tokens as easily.

The token system was originally changed so that players who ran multiple clients on many different accounts would not be ahead of others who can only run one client.

The team did not want to remove multi clienting altogether as we understand many players do like this feature, and as Kirito said there will always be a way to bypass it.

Players would commonly use the argument "It's not our fault that my computer can run X amount of clients" however the team felt statements such as these certainly are not reasonable grounds as to why other players should be more privileged and have more of an advantage over those players who cannot dual client.

Regards,

Tempest

DBO G Staff

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The new token system is perfect, all Daneos has to do is cut all prices by 4. Make it so things dont cost 35 hours but instead 6 to 8 hours and everyone is happy.

Quote from Chop Liver

Well said from a moderator who doesnt grace the forum often but when he does he makes an impact!.

This is what the community asked for a while ago good to see it coming into light! thanks kirito! op mod!

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As for token shop

I think adjusting the prices of important token shop items would calm the guys down who play the game as a f2p player right now its an illusion for a free play player to even consider getting these stuff in a fair amount of time in the token shop.

Currently it takes the following hours to get important stuff below in token shop

lp and ep pots 37.5 hours of game play needed to get 1

z20 inventory slot bag 55.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

z24 inventory slot bag 70.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

200% exp level 1-59 57.5 hours of game play needed to get 1

200% exp level 1-69 72.5 hours of game play needed to get 1

these items do need to get lowered drastically for f2p in the token shop to be seen as viable for f2p players to get some decent stuff .

heres my recommendation

lp and ep pots 7.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

z20 inventory slot bag 10.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

z24 inventory slot bag 15.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

200% exp level 1-59 22.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

200% exp level 1-69 30.0 hours of game play needed to get 1

Please consider it Daneos @toe-mateo @cardboardbox Tempest GokUsama @gmsexy Aru @Hardlockz Syren @ flexarot/kakarot Rybo33  Kuromi  Santo Kirito  Nanashi <-does this guy even moderate anymore hes never around?

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Well said, but your values are bit high. I mean, you have your usual 8 work hours + your 8 sleep hours which leaves you with 8 hours to play the game. That means it would take a few days to get most of the things you propose. It should be even lower than that considering you'd have to be pretty hardcore to play 10 hours dailly ( and not very healthy either).

Also it would be interesting to add ( for a lot of points of course ) Silver boxes to that. At least it would help drop the prices of brown boxes a little.

Quote from Kirito

I'm making this post to express my personal opinion on these matters, mixed in with some useful factual information. Even though all of what was posted above has already been talked about multiple times before and everyone is aware of it.

I will give you points on the following:

- Not enough detailed information in the update posts;

- Two of the recent changes only being applied halfway, while waiting for the final implementations a week or two later.

Now, tackling each topic individually.

• Dragon Ball Hunt changes

Not like this one needed a detailed explanation, given the amount of threads prior to this change, complaining about how there were not enough db mobs for this many players in the server. Sure, removing the random db spawns on pre-living monsters upset some people, mostly the ones who don't read the forums and updates to know how the new system works, but a 20% spawn rate is really high, meaning you don't even need to be an AOE class. I know you're bound to find scumbags who'll do anything steal your db mobs if you try to farm out in the open, but that's what brings me to my next point.

As previously mentioned, this is one of the changes that was delivered in an incomplete manner and it would've been fine with everyone (except the lazy db mob campers) if it wasn't. The two changes that are missing and that will be coming soon are: More hunt days with different times to fit everyone's schedules and a db mob lock system that Daneos is working on, which will protect your db mobs.

It was either: wait another week without changing anything (meaning everyone would still keep raging about "not enough db mobs"); or try this part of the new changes to see how it goes. However, we apologize for any minor inconvenience this might have caused you last Saturday.

• Token Point changes

The people using dual client to afk farm weren't really ruining server stability that much. It seems you might have not been paying much attention to this subject, but the biggest issues regarding this were the clear advantage that mass farmers were getting from upgrading pre-30 gear (to use in kid budo or to sell) and the impact it was having on the economy.

Again, it is the other case in which you got a point, because it was also an incomplete change. There will be adjustments to the Token Shop prices and possibly new items added as well. It's painfully obvious that the new system isn't meant to work with the old prices and that we wouldn't just leave it like that.

• Tank aggro changes

I see a lot of assumptions on this one. First of all, the update that ruined tanks' aggro wasn't even intended to do that, and no, it wasn't because people "love SK". Plus, there's already been a fix implemented that we've been getting some positive feedback from, and if anything needs to be further adjusted, it will be.

• Class balance changes

I don't really see the point of this topic in the middle of all this. Just seems a bit random, but sure, I'll share my 2 cents. I understand there's people who have that opinion, however, I don't believe that "balance" in this genre of games should be like Pokémon. I think every class should have a chance to succeed in either PvE or PvP, with one thing deciding which one of those paths they can master: their build.

• Tournament changes

When I first heard of this change (before it was implemented), I was also a bit skeptical and worried, but that was because I hadn't thought everything through and didn't have all the information yet. A few minutes later, I was okay with it.

Also, "copy and paste the code 5 more times"? First of all, that's clearly not how it works, and secondly, what would you even do with that many tournaments if the amount of players applying wouldn't even be able to come close to filling two of them? "Drama"..? Anyway, here's a few factors to consider:

- It's a priority system, not a requirement.

- You don't have to do Ranked Battles to participate because not all ~400 players will be no-lifing them.

- People who prefer/are into PvP will have more of a chance to participate, which they deserve. Again, the rest can still easily join.

- Ranked points reset every week, so every one has a chance, no matter how late they start getting into PvP.

- Having more tournaments right now wouldn't work, because only having a portion joining the other one would be unfair for the ones in the main instance. Not to mention how the system also gives priority to levels, the second instance would just be easy wins and easy auras/titles, so your idea would actually make people complain even more.

Can't tell if the minimum level question is a serious one, but you should probably know the answer now.

• Crafting system changes

Last but not least. Yes, the crafting prices are high. Yes, farming Zeni for it becomes easier and easier with each cap raise. The limitations added to the crafting system were to prevent flooding the game with a bunch of strong gear that's much higher than the current level cap. Yes, there should've been more detailed information explaining this in the update post.

Finally, to point out a few things from the ending there, these are called "testing phases" for a reason. Sure, some more controversial ideas can use a poll and discussion from time to time, but I personally don't think that Daneos should have to ask the community for permission for every single thing before he updates. The community already fights between itself enough as it is. We always take the community's feedback into consideration, that's how a lot of the in-staff discussions are started, not just by suggestions made by staff members, and it's also how a lot of decisions are reached - there's been serveral cases of community influence on decisions. We all pitch in with our different opinions to try to counter each other and reach the best possible solution (that includes you too), but a lot things sometimes "sound better on paper" and then end up not being executed so well. That's why we also need mass-population testing and feedback for some of the changes, after they've been tried - which can easily be re-adjusted the next week or two, an amount of time that's not really hard to wait, at all.

Anyway, going back to the lack of explanations part, I would like to mention that I have felt the same way and that's why I've pitched an idea to Daneos that he seems to agree with so far. Instead of having Daneos sacrifice an easy-to-read listing of the changes, which some people might prefer, we will possibly start including a link to a detailed patch notes thread, which (as it suggests) will give more info on these important changes, with some images and everything. Not only that, but you'll also be able to comment and post your opinions in that thread.

Cheers.

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I was going to add your points but since you did I just quoted you, but I disagree on the tourny part. There are a lot of problem with ranked right now.

- Players can just quit and not lose points, you won't get any as well

- Parties can still farm, get 3 times as much mudosa, all members will get em as well and each member will participate in solo budokai

- Players that shouldn't participate can still register and get called, but they will crash inside, either way those players still deny entry to those that have the rights to enter.

- The tournament time restrictions make it so some players can not participate which is unfair.

Has anyone tested the new aggroh system? is It just me or has Daneos actually made it worse?

Things that need fixing for the new ranked system to work.

1 - Players can just quit the ranked negating points to the oponent.

That creates a loop where weak players will farm weaker players and strong players won't be able to get any points from them, denying their entry to solo budokai.

2 - Players can still farm mudosa illegaly on low pop hours

3 - The party ranked and the solo ranked is the same. Party matches give 3 times the amount of mudosa points than solo does, everyone barelly plays party meaning a handfull of players can get themselves into solo budokai just by farming mudosa with friends in a party

4 - If you play in a bad timezone there won't be anyone for you to fight continually decreasing your chances of getting into budokai.

Quote from Tempest

This new system was planned by the DBO G Staff months in advance, in which it was mentioned in the Open Beta 2018 FAQ, so the idea and feature wasn't exactly created "on a whim".

Before Open Beta, it was predicted that there would be issues with the preliminary round and it's exceeded capacity (due to the high server population). Obviously increasing the number of participants each round was experimented with and was tested because this would have been the easiest solution, in which it was found to be impossible as it would crash the client. The client in regards to budokai can only fit so many participants.

and how about spreading budokai throughout the day so players from different timezones can participate?

Quote from Cadun

TBH i dont think anything is wrong with allowing just the best players from mudosa , makes the torneys harder and more competitive.

Here's the problem. How many players can actually participate? Is every high ranker in mudosa legit? Can guild mates lose on purpose to help players get called to play budokai? Does gear matter in pvp, if it does, where do you get the time between farming mudosa, getting gear and having a life?

The team is trying to make mudosa farm illegal, I get that. Making it a must to play solo budokai is not the way considering how solo budokais only happen once a day in a timezone not everyone can participate. It's just not fair.

Just by reducing the chs that rankeds can be played is already enough.

The issue on how many players could enter the budokai is easilly fixed by imposing a limited number of entries. First come First served is still the best way to do budokai.

Still, this is not what this post is about. He is talking about monsters clipping inside terrain, that is an issue that needs to be treated as critical.

Quote from Tummi

Whole map will be full of db icons now :>

I don't see how that is a bad thing though.

Quote from lookihavenewsn

i agree with you. I think spirits and other classes damaging skills should do more damage instead of relying so much on things like a 23sec sleep to win a match. i dont have nearly as much experience with DBO as i do with other mmos but things like a 23sec sleep is unheard of in most games especially ones with competitive pvp.

That's not true. WoW pvp has 23 seconds CC skills just like DBO , actually hunters have a talent called tranquilizer that used to do 40s sleep. It's been reduced to 15s now though.

Such skills are used to lock the healer , of course in wow we have things called trinkets and there are other ways to go around it.

What wow doesn't have, or any competitive pvp game for that matter , is this absurd amount of cc's that last for so long, now that's unheard of.

Quote from BlazingBarrager

That alone is enough to balance the class? Sorry I don't want to sound defensive. Just curious.

here is the thing, bold strike won't be as strong once everyone can build energy defense to have around 3k energy def. Since his bleeding scales, lower damage means lesser LP taken away from bleeding. But Drain life is a physical skill that heals him no less making him a power house against humans at cap level.

Quote from Sendoku

Like i keep saying, the only nerf needed is life drain, because it's physical damage.

Pointless to spam when the only change needed is logical, when you know the game.

Agreed, that's a very strong physical skill for a class that has also very strong energy attacks, making it super hard to build around it.

neither, honestly a ultimate with cdr + 2 spins + his own buffs is much more efficient unless you have the zennies to invest in a good +12 glove and + 12 wand, in that case go turtle.

The pve build for 45 would be something like this:

https://tools.dboglobal.to/?to…3000010213011122100011000

left out 11 point on purpose for you to add anyway you want. you basically will use Sudden Stun , Weaken Defense and super kame, if that didn't finish the mobs ( which it should) then use Scatter shot to finish them of. I like Spirit ball lv 1 as that skill packs some damage in the back and its a good option to deal with single threats. Hope I helped.