He means that if there is a wipe with the new client. It will be a reduction of those who used bugs to get an advantage(wipe), a reduction of hackers(new client’s security), and limitation of ip connectios (wipe + new client)
Those who want to exploit the game will find ways to do it again. Wipe is not a solution. Not being apathic, selective deletion and damage control, are.
Display Morei find it hilarious that this thread has broken down to definitions of promise
although this has the community devided in the end its up to daneos not us.
resets have a fair bit of positives and negatives
negatives like donations will be down for a few months, some free to play players will leave .etc
positives game will have major reduction of bugs,hackers and limited ip connections .etc
thats all imma say
peace!
Reduction of "bugs, hackers and limitation of IP connections" has nothing to do with a wipe.
Enserio Explíqueme bien que pasara a los personajes perderán los itens zeni y su nivel enserio , llevo 1 semana jugando ya soy nivel 60 , realmente si esto pasa no jugare mas
enserio por favor alguien me explique bien que sucederá?????
I don't think the entire staff is willing to wipe completely the server, it wouldn't make any sense. But they are hiding while we wait for an official statement, so who knows.
Display MoreSayin' no to the wipe, because it wouldn't fix anything, really. Why is that you people always want to go back to square one?
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
So a handful of people have Level 70 gear... so what? It's not like they hacked it into the game or anything. They legitimately obtained it while it was available. Wanting to punish players now for an oversight the Dev had almost a year ago is ridiculous.
So the problem at hand is that there are "thousands" bugged/duplicated items circling around. All +69, Level 70, with max. random stats. And according to you the ONLY solution would be a wipe... No offence, but no.
Here's what you could do to work around this.
• Introduce new difficulty level for TMQs and UDs. Name it like, Challenge, Z-Hard, Super, Hell, So hard it'll make you cry like an Anime Fan on Prom Night, or somethin' along those lines. This hypothetical new difficulty level would be for level 65-70 players, would have CCBD-like rules and would be an alternative to the CCBD/BID-only End Game. You could even switch it up a bit, if you really wanted to. TMQ4 for example. Instead of just fighting Nappa at the start, Vegeta and Nappa team up and then retreat if you beat them. And instead of just Ozaru Vegeta, you fight Ozaru Vegeta and Ozaru Nappa. Just some examples.
• Introduce new Sets of Equipment & Accesoires that drop in these high-level TMQs and UDs. One would focus on Speed, one on Physical Crit, one on Energy Crit, another one on Constitution and Defense, maybe even Damage Reduction and so on and so forth. You could basically make one set for every playstyle there is.
This hypothetical new Set of Equipment & Accesoires could have better Stats, Fixed Effects and Set Effects, which would make them very desirable from the getgo. This would encourage players to farm this new, better and improved Equipment, because the old one would become obsolete. Not only that, but it would also tackle the gatekeeping and inaccessibility issue DBO/G has.I posted this before, but I'll post it again. This is how new Equipment could look.
You could apply the same to Upgrade Stones. Instead of just wiping everything, introduce a new Upgrade System that is incompatible with old Upgrade Stones. Then introduce a new Set of Upgrade Items that are compatible with the new Upgrade System. Bam. Done.
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Bots and "Black Markets" will always be a thing. You can't prevent those. You can only punish the players who do use this stuff when sufficient evidence is available. Other games have Bots and "Black Markets" too and they're doing just fine. Only a miniscule amount of players do use these things and it's not that big of a deal.
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I don't agree with the "and therefore they would be unable to cheat any further" statement. That's a very naïve way of thinking.
What's encrypted by man can be decrypted by man. It would just be a matter of time until it happens again. It's a battle ONE MAN alone cannot win. Even multi-million-$ companies have problems fighting this kind of stuff. Just hit 'em with the Ban Hammer and move on.
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On the topic of Player Base:
DBOG, whenever there's criticism: "Leave.", "Don't like it, don't play it.", "What are you doing here then?", "We'll carry on without you.", "You won't be missed.", "Don't let the door hit you on the way out.", "Cya Ecks Dee Hurr Durr".
Also DBOG: WHAT THE?! WHY IS NO ONE PLAYING THE GAME ANYMORE? WHAT HAPPENED?! DARN THESE DAMN BOTS. IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT.
Nah, seriously. Can't count the times I've seen Daneos, Moderators and other Members of the community tell others to leave if they're not OK with how stuff is run here. Well, they did. You basically told your customers to get lost and hey, guess what, they stopped using your service. What's the problem? You got what you wanted. Oh right, you don't like that either. Well, should've been more careful with your wishes then.
Also, and I know this might sound crazy, since DBO/G is the best Game that has ever been created, but maybe, just maybe, people moved on to even greater Games that have even crazier features than super-exciting things like "farming" and "AFKin' for tokens.".
DBO, at its core, is a 9 year old game. Gaming has evolved and moved on, DBO didn't. The level of gatekeeping and inaccessibility in this game, that's only there to artificially increase gplay time, just doesn't fly nowadays.If you want DBO/G to thrive and flourish, let it evolve, let it arrive in the year 2019, don't let it be stuck in the year 2010. We're in different times now, there's competition all-around. Adapt or bite the dust.
Also also, these two pictures are very biased. One shows POB at its peak, something you wouldn't see very often, especially not during Winter 2017, and the other one shows... well... "7 Months Into 60 Cap With No Content Whatsoever And No New Content In Sight". Not really a fair comparison.
As a little side note, you wrote "As you can see, there is a dramatic increase in the number of players." implying there are more players now than in POB.
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A lot of these problems stem from Daneos' idleness. He should've done something when this stuff was occuring and he should've definitely done something right after the stuff was patched. Rollback, deleting duped items, etc., but nothing happened. Hindisght is always 20/20, though, so whatever. Mistakes happen. Learn from them and move on.
Also, on the Topic of "PEOLE ARE GREEDY"!! No, people aren't greedy. They just don't want to lose their progress they've worked on for the past eleven months, which is understandbale. Imagine calling other people greedy because they aren't agreeing with your heavily biased views.
^ This promise right here motivated people to go ham. All you've worked your behind off for stays. This promise also made people cash, because this wasn't a alpha, beta or anything like that. This was the real deal.
How are you supposed to take anything, anyone in this team establishes, serious, if they go back on their word everytime a vocal minority whines about something.
I don't see any reason for a wipe. Most of these problems can be worked on. Learn from your mistakes, work around them and improve the game. If your answer to every tiny little thing is a wipe then DBOG has some rough years ahead of it.Like, what kind of post-launch MMOs (not Alpha/Beta/Early Access) are you people playing where annual wiping is common practice. Where does this idiocy come from?
^ This. Creative solutions and facing the issues. Not just childish wipes.
Also, this is getting out of hand. Players need an official statement ASAP saying what's gonna happen, because with all of this instability, I'm sure a lot of people won't play until the situation is resolved.
this is a normal thing on private servers, you should do more research b4 playing one
That's not true. Wipes are only THE LAST resource, even more if there's no warning about wipes when the server launches on release. There are numerous ways to fix issues rather than a childish full wipe, that's playing with people time. I'm talking about WoW private servers, because that's where I have experience. Selective deletion through SQL statements is the way to go in these cases.
Lemme guess, Your Chinese right? Not to say this but we all know that the Chinese are the only ones who have Full +15. Oh did I mention you Chinese are also the main ones who used the exploits that were in the game and still do ?
Please don't be racist...
Display MoreWell ppl are just mad couse another ppl didnt voted what they want,
Meanwile, nobody give me a trully answer to my basic question:
What have the hard wipe than the soft wipe doesnt have?
In wich way hard wipe benefict more than the soft one?
I already wrote a lot about this in previous pages of this post. So if anybody wanna answer me (if anybody want ofc)
please read my arguments before.
For the hard wipes dudes, if you see that other players just doesnt want that, why not try to negotiate?
For all players -not all ofc- (wipes sides and non wipe side) Attack another people just because they dont think like you (and damm dudes this is a game do not forget that!) isnt productive..
For the ones telling everybody else greedys, think about that.. why you stand in your position and dont move at least 1 centimeter?
For the Non wipes side, Nobody want a wipe, the ones who wanna make a wipe are thinking in the best for the server.
In my opinion, this is exactly that i was telling you dudes. ppl doesnt want loose all, so why you take that position?
The soft wipe does exactly the same than a hard wipe does but is less agressive.So agian:
hard wipe: +econoy - player basesoft wipe: +economy
I'm waiting for that answer too and nobody is providing it, a soft wipe will solve the same issues as the full wipe, but being less destructive.
This poll ain't serious anyways. No poll that is on this Forum is to be taken serious. And you know why? People of this community are mostly toxic, selfish piece of sh*ts. Go make a poll about anything and add "make it easier" or "make it harder" ppl will jump on easy. They will jump on it hard. They will force their grandparents to make a forum acount to vote for easy!
Saw so many polls here, always the easy option wins. And it's always the wrong option. People do not wanna play this game. They wanna enjoy it from day 1. Give them instant +12 stuff, they still would complain "why not +15?". That's what they want. Create a new account/char, *boom* it's lvl 70, has multiple +15 equipment, budo aura, dojo, end game accessory, CC150 aura. So i don't care about the vote.
I just hope ppl from the staff team and Daneos himself reads what i wrote here so far to understand the more experienced players of this community that most of the time get ignored cuz they wanna have things harder to keep the game alive. Buuut all for nothing. I am sure there won't be a wipe. Would be surprised if Daneos actually once listens to experienced player lmao.
You haven't answered to: What's the difference between a full wipe, and a less destructive soft wipe (items and money)? And of course polls and players opinions should be taken into account, otherwise you'll end in an endless dictatorship loop.
Daneos said with new client he'll haver better control. With that i assume he'll be able to make sure these things don't happen again better this time. Ofc wiping with same result months later won't do sh*t. If Daneos really has better control over server/client then he can protect the game better. That's what i get. If he can't do that, then don't bother to keep things as they are and go to 70 cap. Cuz then playing this game makes 0 sense. Why bother playing a game when you know at the end it will be pure sh*t? lol
If Daneos can pull off better protection against that crap, then we need a full wipe for a fresh new start! Players who voted no did this cuz they wanna keep their crap. Not cuz they think it will turn out to be the same months later lol. But now those ppl will jump on this one good reasoning to excuse their selfish crap. Too late tho, by your dumb reasoning we already saw what kind of players you mostly are (not all). And i personally don't care about you guys. Your threat by saying "i will leave so will others etc." means jacksh*t to me. I'll be one of the ppl to say bye to all of you lmao.
You leave and new ppl get here, simple. Y'all not that important so keep your ego down.
What's the difference between a full wipe, and a less destructive soft wipe (items and money)? Soft wipe is enough, there are no issues with levels / character progression, they can remain untouched. Also, seeing how the poll is developing, the only viable and smart solution is to do the soft wipe I'm mentioning, otherwise a lot people wouldn't be taken into account. I'd be honestly surprised if the staff ends up doing a full wipe instead of the soft one.
Display MoreTo quote my thread, unfortunately the staff are not superhuman. Do you know how many people abused these bugs? The damage is IRREPARABLE, because if it was we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Leveling is so easy in this game compared to many others, using the right technique someone can reach Level 60 within a day. And yes, people are willing to give up their characters and items to better the game as a whole?
If you wish to keep your items that is your choice - but sadly if we just leave things as they are there won't be a functioning or fun server to play on regardless. All people wish to reset for the greater good, including people with hundreds of hours in the game, just like you or with even more hours.
Staff doesn't need to be super human to do a targeted soft reset (remove unwanted items). SQL queries can do magic (I'm a software developer myself).
As I said, the best, non destructive option to please everyone is to remove all high level items (I'd say keep cosmetics but disable the trading of them for some months, but I'm fine just deleting them) but keep all character progression like level, completed quests, name...
I'd add the same (per class) common armor to level 60 players so they don't stay naked with the soft wipe. Also, a minimum amount of Zenis could be given too.
