Quote from Box-head(boxbox)

easy to say for u ur a tank. try other classes and you will see im right.

I play poko, ultimate, crane and sword.

i can tell yea duration and stackablitly of hesitation is a huge problem. and the spamability of shout is rediculous. against any dps class karma shits on them other than fighter due to resistance.

This is so true even if you have full +15 armour on a human other than a fighter, you will have no chance against a karma, the karma does not even need to try to kill you, if the karma is good at playing karma he will just spam skill lock, hesitation and KD you out of the arena or straight up kill you from behind.

Even if you have all the right accessories, you can't counter skill lock or hesitation unless you are a tank.

Quote from Jorge A. Tellez

top list budokai solo:

https://ibb.co/fA1mOK

shadow knight: 16

karma majin: 9

dende priest: 3

dark warrior: 2

fighter: 1

turtle hermit: 1

crane hermit : 1 but this player was banned

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Do you even play this game? because only 1 DW won and no turtle hermit won so far, just because Beseker won kid tournament doesn't mean he won adult tournament as DW.

Codenemesis won because he disconnected people so he lost his title.

Quote from Maskman

Do u all guys fail to read the whole reply?!

I said let us have proper discussion with them! And not poke ur noses and get the thread locked cause of ur childish behaviors!

Second who said i was even talking to u? Let the proper guy answer

this is why i say othet than cranes no one else should comment expalining everything to all is pointless

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The funny part is if Daneos cared about this thread or was going to approve of these changes he would've said something by now or the previous thread that was deleted.

Quote from XeoLee

I didn't ignore the facts, crane can win budokai did i say it can't? You're just mispeaking again.

You saying that i'm a noob and doesn't have skills to play with crane?

Why are you judging a book with its cover?

Crane is not a fighter that uses 2 buttons. It needs skills and brain, so you have to master it and practice.

So if you are a dumb which not uses his brain then don't even try touching the most epic class in the game and play with fighter instead.

Dark warrior passive got changed to focus.

Chef passives got buffed and changed.

Spirit drain and demon wave i remember in old thread when i and my friends suggested to buff them, i remember a gm and mods saying it's fine as it's no change, no change.. But it got changed.

Because Daneos is the developer, he has the formulas and everything so he can change them as he desires.no need for GMs to tell him. He can check the threads himself.

Or are you saying that GMs order daneos to do what they want and he the developer doesn't have a will or a brain to do what he wants to his server?

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If a crane can win why does it need changes? the only reason DWs and chefs got changes was because they actually needed them, also when did i call you a noob lol.

Seeing as you know that cranes need a brain + skills and you know they can win budokai what is the problem then?

Quote from Maskman

i wish first of all that non other crane players would comment cause of hiding the actual information in the thread and let thr GMs or daneos reply and lets have discussion with those not YOU!

second the class aint fine i already explained to you why for many reasons and one of them only 1 person saying that doesnt and cant be accounted for all crane players go read what i told u in tue second page again.

We only trying to make cranes a challenging class and if u think these suggestions wont solve the actual problem which is vs karmas then would u please give a suggestion which isnt nerfing karmas because nerfs kill the fun of the game and makes cranes viable?

Im not with nerfing any classes.

And by the way these secreen shots of yours i cant see the skills of crane listed there how can u claim that these are your proof WINs as a CRANE? Im curious

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A GM/Mod already replied and they said the class is fine on the other thread which was removed so i have no clue what you are saying.

Also every class has problems with karmas so every class needs changes?

Quote from XeoLee

Look mate you didn't play with a crane hermit before so you don't have enough knowledge how it works not just by watching videos you judge about the class.

I didn't ask about buffing crane hermit too much, why are you saying that i want to change the class?

All i said here is to make the useless skill agile armor to give dex, will that really make crane too op?

Also i said to make double gut buster to do poison damage, will that be op? Of course not because it's a debuff not considered as a dot so it can be resisted and it has small damage.

I thank you and others for attacking me in this thread and the other one. Because without you, i wouldn't be able to post this ideas.

Here you go again ignoring the facts that cranes can get to the finals or even win the tournament just because you don't have the skills to win doesn't mean they need changes, using that logic do turtles need buffs or changes because they haven't won before aswell?

Also you don't need to play a class to have knowledge, you act like this is a top tier MMO where you need to play all the classes to know how they work.

Many classes have useless skills and passives people already tried changing plasma skills and passives and GMs said it won't happen, the funny part is you think because Daneos hasn't said no that there is still a change for it to happen.

There is a reason he has GMs so that they relay information.

That still doesn't change the fact that he went to the semi's and finals multiples times on crane, people who played this game for a while know this is a basically a rock paper scissor game where every class basically counters one another however some classes do that better than others because the game was never designed to be balanced.

People complain about karmas but yesterday a fighter 2 karmas in a row, the first one with 2 HTBs and SSJ and the second one without them so in a way fighters counters karmas because of dex.

The funny part about this thread is Xeolee and Jorge are crying about cranes to be changed but did Tien or Sendoku ever cry about crane needing to be changed? Tien won solo budokai and Sendoku came to the semi finals many times on his crane and to the finals a few times.

His only problem was karma and they don't need to be nerfed any further otherwise the class will be gutted, maybe some skills need to be changed but not nerfed.

You can check Sendoku's vids on youtube where he is beating players with ease in budokai, it's just the players with no experience or no skill who want a class that doesn't need real changes to be changed.

If you are experienced you would not need help with builds or equipment like Jorge mentioned which already contradicts this thread because it proves that he has no real experience playing crane.

Just because you think they are not fine doesn't mean the GMs or Daneos agree with you, Boxbox already said the team feels cranes are fine at the moment so i don't know why you guys are still wasting your time arguing.

You do realise he is making these changes so that CC can be the same as TW.

Also i don't get what the point of boasting how much zeni you have will achieve, hoarding zeni does nothing, I rather have 0 zeni and have good accessories and have good upgrades +13-15.

Yea they can do that.

If you look at this thread

DBOG Team - Role's & Task's

Only Daneos is in charge of programming and coding, the GMs don't do that kind of thing.

Yes true each person wants to give suggestions which is impossible to add unless he has more people working with or for him.

People think these suggestions are easy for Daneos to implement but they don't think that he has other things he has to fix or add.

Jorge can you stop crying and complaining? a GM already said there cranes don't need any buffs and you keep talking about cranes winning tournament right? Well not 1 single turtle won solo tournament at the moment aswell and you don't see them complaining.

Quote from Danuvius

thats because its too much work to get the class to compete with other classes. There are many other classes who are way cheaper and easier to gear and be successful with.

You do realise a good crane can beat an SK and they dominate the budokai atm. Cranes hardly need good gear because their attacks don't rely on upgrades weapons expect a few skills, the only classes that are cheaper are karma and sk but not everyone wants to play them.

I don't know why you are complaining when Sendoku was playing crane he used to always get to the semi finals and Tien also a crane won solo budokai so your statement saying a crane has not won is invalid, the problem is there are hardly any cranes playing the game and have not mastered it like the 2 i mentioned.

Quote from Waris

and just because everyone can be a tank, a little more and dende will not be a necessary class because the poko treatment is over, you can see that it's good that everyone can be a tank in this game, in the end will come to that namek will go completely in oblivion, as well as buffers, because this balance is striving for it, and this is not what mmorpg is all about, so that the party consists of the same dps and one heal, here everything goes wrong, it's not like I'm crying that I can not walk on CCBD, it's not worth it for CC 100 because it's weapons, nothing more.

You play human or majin, you are just afraid of a nerf and that's it, everything is fine if you get a boost, but as soon as the topic about the nerf starts, it's a big cry.

Lol i already said this before these nerfs or suggestions won't happen anyway unless you are in the balance team, which is a good thing because everyone has suggestions and wants to nerf/buff something if that happened this game would be broken.

Quote from Waris

Supertao no one takes sm? the video itself says that the human race is already beginning to be a tank

You do realise props make you are the reason people can tank cc90/100, i went to CC100 once with a DW and no buffer he had +13-14 gear but he got 1 shot at floor 100 because we did not have the 18 props.

Daneos won't nerf props because they already got nerfed once and it caused an outrage and it got reverted.

Quote from Waris

Supertao the balancing team does the game only for themselves

Not really you made a thread because nobody takes SKs lol but nobody takes SMs or fighters aswell, like i said before CC90 gear is not good for the warrior class anyway so there is no point in going and to go CC100 you need tickets because even turtles provide a ticket.