you think 1700 dodge rate is suppose to make you dodge everything? Please it that was impossible in the original game
What about 1700 dodge rate vs 800 hit rate,
and 10 lvls diference, Should I dodge by now?
or maybe when i get 3000Dodge vs 800 Hit rate whi a diference of 30 lvls
Would dodge work then?
Dude its not about the ammount
ITS abbout the relation betweee 3 values
LVL, DODGE and HIT
lvl 70 fighter cant dodge a lvl 26 hits
WHAT the fuck does dodge work for?
Display Moreskills still not suposed to be dodged .. daneos meant that now monsters can dodge our skills.
as daneos said:
- Skills which deal damage can now be dodged
but still there is a problem that dodge is screwed for all dodge users.. now autoattks can't be dodged in pvp or even in pve cause i'm level 70 fighter with 1558 dodge rate... used to dodge all mobs at all even lvl 70's and dodge auto attks from ppl lvl 70 but now can't dodge mobs lvl 18 and ppl lvl 26 hit me easy.. cuz he changed calculations into something else except retail dbo.
- A completly new dodge calculation which uses attacker level, hit rate and target level, dodge. Example: Attacker Lv 70, 1600 Hit Rate / Target Lv 60, 1300 Dodge = 23% dodging the attack. If the target is lv 70 too then the is a 26% chance to dodge. Dodge is not applied on skills right now.
so we're trying to talk to him maybe he reconsider his thoughts again.
ey Bro CAn u pls POST ur formula,
plsplspl
Post the formula u develop and explained to me plspslpslps
I nede more new info on that matter im trying to make a etter formula, but i dont get any more better ideas.
PLs post ur Formula whit an explanation.
THX and thumbs UP
Display Morewhy @Daneos why u wanna screw fighters and SM's so much why dex is bothering u that much .. excuse me for saying this, but this is totally a nonsense.. i'm lvl 70 with 1558 dodge rate and getting hit by ppl level 26 i even got hit from monsters lvl 18
if i may say... stats do not need any nerfing atm plus if it stays like this till beta it will be a total genocide towards fighters and all dodge users.
i'm sure if we make a vote right now the mjority will vote to make it the way it was why changing claculations to be something different from retail dbo.
i remember that you @Daneos said you are not planning to add or make a lot or big modifications to the game so it be more like retail dbo and if you do any it will be for making game better... but by doing this i do not see better.
i hope u @Daneos are reading this and reconsider your thought again and make it to be more like retail dbo not nerfing it to be unbalanced.. i mean if ppl wanna conquer dodge they can easily get focus that's why FOC is there.. cuz there are MANY players using some certain classes that count entirly on dex to play so by doing this these classes are dead.
i want to say that i might spam my comment till i be heard by the devs and something is done towards this serious problem.
again and again hope you reconsider your thoughts and fix it.
Dude i totaly get and i share the same tought, we have to take a deep breath and have faith that soon Daneos will realize that.
So try to stay calm and try to be patient ok
My main char is also a fighter I love fighters.
Any way, u are right
just letss try to be patient.
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Use your formula with the example's given by daneos. It does not work.
Hey bro u dont even knnow what u are talking about and im gonna prove it to u.
Tell me how does he gets the 30.32% on the last example
Expalin me his ecuations, cuz
u know
we are giving ecuations information not arbitrary numbers and i dont see anywhere the ecuation.
Pls inlight me whit ur knowloedge and tell me how does Daneos gets the 30.32% dodege rate from the 1200Hit Rate and 1334 dodge whit booth players being lvl 70.
Im waiting the answer
Hi guys I just do Dodge TEST and this were the results:
Fighter lvl 65 whit 1696 Dodge (including self buff) VS fighter lvl 53 whit 754 Hit Rate
Number of duels 2
Resullts:
0 Dodged skills
It means that, even being higher lvl and more that twice the dodge in relation to Hit rate still didnt Dodge any skill.
PLS
Try ur own tests and share ur result whit us.
remember to try the same test at least 2 times, dont forget lvl, dodge rate and hit rate.
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Very nice calculation my friend. But sadly no monster and player always have 1000 hit rate and 1000 dodge.
If you can get better dodge percent than this then god bless you
dodge percent 0.52%, hitrate 986, dodge 50, AttackerLv 48, TargetLv 5
dodge percent 0.61%, hitrate 855, dodge 50, AttackerLv 47, TargetLv 5
dodge percent 1.86%, hitrate 1330, dodge 143, AttackerLv 60, TargetLv 12
dodge percent 65.65%, hitrate 150, dodge 256, AttackerLv 5, TargetLv 47
dodge percent 68.76%, hitrate 150, dodge 290, AttackerLv 5, TargetLv 48
dodge percent 30.32%, hitrate 1200, dodge 1334, AttackerLv 70, TargetLv 70
EDIT: Im not saying that this is the perfect dodge calcultion but thats the best working one so far. If someone can come up with a better calculation than me then very nice. You can use the rates listed above and try to create a formula. And no I will not post the current one. Everyone can take a formula and change one or two numbers.
Is that really u Daneos?
Cuz i cant belive u just didnt understood the formula,
The 1000 number is the exaample.
try other numbers
like 500, do u like 500?
it will be
(500Hit RATE / 500 Dodge) / 2 =
(500/500) /2= (1)/2= 0.5= 50%
u can try 250 if u want, i guess will be the same result
I know im not considerating the lvl.
If u can publish the detalied formula we can work on it.
Pls let me know what Formula are u using to calulate that
I can help, but I need Very precise DATA.
So fighters with 6k dodge pot will be inmortal right? ... pls think a little bit... use your mind
Im so glad u mention the Dodge Pot, I really do
The great solution for that is
NO DODGE POT IN GAME
Why:
Dodge Pot was an attempt to give Fighters more dodege with out giving them to much. (crystal clear right?)
Dodge Pot Its the most useless Shit I ever saw in a MMORPG, it fills no pourpose what so ever.
so Dodge pots gone forever.
Besides Noody likes to keep depending on a consumable to win a duel, its so LAME
In my personal opinion Dodge Pots hurt my honor
I lost my lvl 60 human boots 20 CON too
the sad part is
those were a gift
=(
Makes sense, and does not make sense that mobs may evade your attacks like that, i mean it does not have sense, they are mobs, they never did something like that.
Makes sense, and does not make sense that mobs may evade your attacks like that, i mean it does not have sense, they are mobs, they never did something like that.
I understand ur issue bro
U have to remember that Mobs even on Taiwan retaail had 50% chance to hit u even whit extreme DEX
That meassure was implemented to avoid fighters from farming.
I dont like it now, and didnt like it onTaiwan retail.
Stay cool, that can still be changed.
We will have to wait a little bit more.
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Fair Calculation for Dodge will be like this
(Hit Rate/Dodge) /2:
It Means:
(1000Hit / 1000dodge)/2 = 1 / 2 = 0.5 = 50% chances to HIT
If u want to HIT u must wear FOC gear, u dont deserve to hit if u dont have FOC gear, if u can hit whit out FOC, Dodge have no meanning.
Why this calculation?
Cuz:
1FOC = 10 Hit Rate
1DEX = 5 Dodge
o yea this is real guys.. this is the real thing. the basic game does this.
I cant understad why this unbalance. Dodge and Hit Rate are antonyms, they are the oposite, if u want to beat DEX u must wear more FOC, if u dont waer more FOC u wont hit, and when DEX and FOC are even u have 50% chance to hit. simple as that
The calculation can be changed if FOC and DEX give the same amount of values.
Fighters wear all DEX, to become strong, its pretty sad that whit only 1 gear of FOC u can beat all 6 DEX gears
Critical Damage = More damage when u do critical hit
Critical Hit Rate = More chances to do a critical hit
Rate means ratio when u use rate doenst need to use % infront of the number
That is why only Critical Damage had %
Rate = Ratio = %
Hope it was clear.
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It looks like the 80-90% of the people creating threads about classes have been nerfed are playing their first time a MMORPG, what Daneos did was fix the damage system.. and remember the server status is currently on pre-openbeta and there are a lot of things to do, when all clases works like they should, in any MMORPG skills are constantly being nerfed to make a balance between all races sightly, so i dont know why people keep complaining about this, when Daneos fix all currently classes bug then you will see how OP was the turtle class behind the bugs within. In the Original DMO what made your class good was your equipment and your gameplay style, not the bugs they had..
Dude Siriusly, u use MMORPG and players skills in the same sentence?
Have u ever played any other combat game?
Cuz no MMORPG need to much skill, I even dare to say that MMORPGs requires minimum player skill
pl
really ? DEX gives critcal hit rate O.o ?
No bro i just took the time to confirmed and its not working correctly.
Im sorry for the inconvinient
Base crtical damage got reduce for all classes,
Now, base critical damage almost works like "Damage increse when attacking from behind" effect
and for me it doenst have to much sense.
I think Base Critical damage should be twice base damage, sounds logic.
Any way, im do not know what to thinkg about this change.
But Im glad they fix some Stats issues like,
Now DEX, gives u the correct amount of critical hit rate
(I have confiremd it sill doenst make any changes, DEX stil doesnt gives critical hit rate) I did make a misstake, im sorry
Now Speed works fine, but Fighters Thunder Skills, still not woring at all.
Now "Damage increse when attacking from behind" works fine
Looks like this ones still do not work:
LP% regeneration on damage taken
EP% Regeneration on damaage taken
x% Anticritical
Thumbs up.
La lista de la que te hablaba es la misma que postearon aca en el foro Stats Info
no se si te referias a esa o a otra, si es otra decime como es y la busco.
Hola LEO:
oye si esta es la lista correcta, pero por desgracias es la lista desactualizada, me parece que es la primera que salio,y si mal no recuerdo tuvo 2 atualizaciones, de todas formas me alegro mucho que la tengas y que hayas podido compratirla.
Mil gracias manito.
=)
gracias por ti respuesta, yo tengo la lista que decís, pero como bien dijiste es antigua ahora daneos ha tocado las cosas y cambio el Focus así que eso es lo que preguntaba. Porque quiero saber dónde metio el daño crítico mágico, porq depende de eso que haré con set jaja. Mañana si querés subo la lista ahora tengo apagada la pc
Leobani:
Serias tan amable de postear la lista me gustaria recuperarla, y si es posible hacersela llegar a Daneos.
Yo he trabajado en una tabulacion de atributos que no esta terminada y neceista muchas pruebas, que es parecida a la que recuerdo.
Considero importante comenzar el juego de la forma en que se quedo, y apartir de ahi realizar cambios de balanceo.
¿por que?
Todos los juegos se crean apartir de una serie de bases
1.- Con que tipo de mando se va a acontrolar el personaje y con cuantos botones el jugador sera capaz de interactuar.
2.- Cual es la matematica del juego. o los calulos matematicos usados para realizar las operacions de la plataforma
(esta es la parte donde se asignan los valores que la computadora considerara y sus ecuaciones para otorgar resultados a cada actividad)
Asi que como vez es una piedra angular del juego y apartir de este 2do paso, se establecen el valor de todos los equipos, armas, armaduras accesorios etc. si se cambia la 2da parte se esta haciendo cambios gigantescos al producto final.
Si decidimos comenzar con esos valores desde cero, tomara muchisismo tiempo crear valores equilibrados para las clases
ese trabajo lo hacen varios programadores, no una sola persona, y si estoy deacuerdo, no fue muy buen trabajo, aun en su version final de Taiwan considero que no fue un buen trabajo el balanceo de classes.
yo espero puedas compartir la lista que mencione y que apartir de ahi podamos caminar.
Temo que si comenzamos de cero tarde demasiado el seerver en abrir, ya estamos comenzando a sentir que le tomara mucho ms tiempo a daneos en llegar a OPEN BETA de lo que creeiamos, no quisiera que se demorara mucho mas.
En fin espero puedas postear l lista.
Saludos
Solo te pueo dar infromacion acerca de como funcionaba durante la version de Taiwan, ya que fue la que juge por mayor tiempo.
Los mencionados son aquellos que estoy seguro, es probable que hagan otras cositas mas por ahi, pero no las recuerdo.
STR: Physical Attack
DEX: Dodge, Critical Hit rate, Succes rate, resistance rate, y otras cosas que no reucerdo, era el STAT con mayor numero de cambios
FOC: Hit rate, (creo que tambine Energy Critical hit rate) pero no recuerdo con certeza
CON: LP y LP regeneration
SOL: Energy Attack
ENE: EP y EP regeneration
Esta lista esta incompleta, me falta agregalos detalles de cada STAT, pero no los recuerdo,
Habia una lista que fue traducida del chino al ingles en el que se mencionaba todos y cada uno de los atributos
Me faltan defence rate, y defensa de bleeds, stuns, paralysis y todo lo demas, que creo que los daba la DEX, pero no puedo asegurarte eso.
Yo tenia esa lista guadada pero hace 1 año tuve que formatear mi PC y la perdi. He buscado en DBOcom.com que era la pagina de la comunidad DBO pero ya no la encuentro, hay muchos vinculos cerrados o rotos y no he podido volver a conseguirla.
Si alguien ha podido encontrarla, sea tan amable de postearla,
Saludos
Look like server is down, im having the same problem, we will have to wait
If u cant connect to server pls like this post.
Si entiendo tu situacion, intenta tomar aire que si es muy posible que Kamekameman tenga razon, los avances son lentos, y alomejor para diciembre o 2017 esta listo
Mientras tanto aprovecha para probar cosas qqe no habias probado, intent nuevas builds o nuevo gear, te dara una mejor perspectiva del juego.
Animo y paciencia que almenos ya esta en pre open beta.
