he says he thinks that probably everyone will get 1 lvl 30 up not multiple i guess this is what he means and i think no for each lvl 30 character u will receive one in my opinion and someone needs to confirm
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Simply no.
have u forgotten how many people voted for no? More than 400 compared to more than 700 and i guess one reason those 400 mainly disagreed was the time spent on leveling hence the 30 up reward was announced in advance so no thank you.
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Bro, not even Mexicans want this kind of people. We are not all like that
if u mean Jorge A i havent seen him swear or talk bad thats how u give up on him
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Hear me out.
I PERSONALLY believe a server wipe would be the right way to go. With that mentioned, this would only be the case IF AND WHEN Daneos implements some sort of anti-cheat system.
If you look at the current state of the game - it's both unfair for both cashers and F2P players for numerous reasons. I don't think cashers are the god-tier players that F2P imagine them to be:
- The cash shop is much 'worse' for value compared to POB or Retail. If you don't believe me look around on Youtube.
- Botters and Cheaters.
I'm going to elaborate on the second point. There are people out there in this community who bot, bug and even purchase zeni. Legit players, despite whether they are cashers or not are simply shafted by all of this. For example, a CC91F ticket is very powerful and one alone is worth $20. Yet, with the currency conversion rate of $1 for 10kk, people can purchase enough zeni for this ticket by not even spending a whole $10.
The purchasing and selling of zeni is fu*king the entire economy as a whole and it really isn't made obvious to most players. With a couple of dollars someone can purchase lots of gear, stones or whatever they wish. Compare this to F2P who have to grind or Cashers who have to spend a larger amount of money for less than they're getting.
Botters as everyone knows can gather a large quantity of stones over night, and hey they might even get a few good drops at that. Botting or trading zeni alone makes it sooooo damn easy for these cheaters to become 'top-tier' players almost overnight. With any stones left over, they can make even more zeni and hold it for whatever.
Now, imagine that there are cheaters out there who both BOT AND BUY ZENI.
I'm not sure why people are acting like the 70 Cap will miraculously save the state of the game. The economy will still be absolute trash, with a single box going from 3kk to 15kk. Who knows what it'll be worth in a month, heck even a couple of week's time.
People don't really understand that +15 CC90 or 100 60 cap will still absolutely trash people around in the 70 cap. Every five minutes someone is making an upgrade to +15, after upgrade after upgrade. They duplicate their stones almost infinitely so there is no way in hell you won't get top tier upgrades, it is percentages after all. So, even if you're a free to play player; when these cheaters keep their overpowered gear that is still of use in the next cap and your amazingly mediocre gear becomes absolutely ass you'll be wishing for this wipe too.
Yes, the anti-bot system will stop all of this botting and what not.
But, do you really think that will magically save the state of the game? Many of these botters are complete idiots, but there are still a large number of people that will transfer all their goodies to alt accounts that they won't even touch until 70 cap. Here is a good time to mention buggers too.
These buggers are prepared for the next cap Everything you can sell in a Private Shop up until now HAS been duplicated - I can almost gurantee that. All these precious dogis, gear, tickets, boxes etc. have been duplicated. So, when you get obliterated by a full CC150 +15 (since White U70s are in the game and could've been easily duplicated) boxed max stats bugger don't be surprised. They'll have such a jump on you it'll be unbelievable. But not if there's a wipe, where we all start fresh on a clean slate.
Sure, you can't bot for stones anymore. But their current gear and large amount of stones they have tucked away will still sell for a hell of a lot of zeni, and once they cash that in before 70 cap they'll gear themselves even better than before.
In the end, F2P players and Cashers alike will get fu*ked because now, your gear has no worth. You have nothing to trade for it either; U60s and the like becoming almost useless in the 70 cap. If you're really F2P, I don't see how you're surviving nowadays anyway with prices like 100kk for a Gogeta Dogi in the AH right now, but with a wipe and anti cheat you'll be able to get things easier than before.
But now think, if you have both the anti-bot system and a server wipe, what would that mean???
- Yes, you will lose your amazing gear that you care so preciously about.
- Yes, you will lose all of your valuables such as dogis and zeni and gear.
- Yes, you will ultimately have to grind back to having any self worth.
Isn't that the point of this game? This is a Korean MMORPG, and I'm certain that Koreans absolutely love their grind. There is no endgame because the game was never finished, and who knows if it ever will be. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play. And trust me, I know how irritable a grind back up from 0 would be. We all do.
But don't be selfish and think of the positives - They are nothing without these cheats, and if you strip that away from them DBO itself will be cleansed of all this dirt. Not only will these cheaters be UNABLE to bot for stones, and be UNABLE to sell zeni because nobody has any, and UNABLE to duplicate for more worth, but it also cleans up the mess of an economy.
It cleans up the game.
just my opinion btw
just one thing wipe everything without deleting character levels i believe this woulnt hurt nor bore people to the point of giving this game up.
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yeah hacked zeni is a problem i know that..
just saying not everybody is ready to invest that much time AGAIN
if you realize all you have done in the game in the last months was useless and get removed it will tilt almost everybody ( not just me )
if there is another wipe i think we need backup´s of all chars
remove all zeni and cash items out of the game
but Refund all CP,Restore all chars, earrings,necks, CCBD gear, dogi´s with a dogi ball effect, shenron reward and shit like that .
its maybe 1% of the players who abuse hacks if you punish the other 99% trust me you can close the server.
this kind of wipe is acceptable too
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i just updated this thread and like i said before game need item wipe when new client come for fresh start, leave just empty characters with lvl.
Also today i was in game and again game is full of +15.
i second this suggestion there should only be a wipe for the items gained+zeni but keeping the character level as it is.
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I apologize, I don't understand. Did you forget your password? Are you worried that you might forget it?
very mature response thanks alot
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For as long as I can remember a lot of people said Ultimate wasn't meant for PVP but now a lot has changed hasn't it? Just because you think that the class is weak because you can't do some things others can doesn't mean that class is weak.
Why are u still here!? Get the hell out of this thread already explained what why how not and why should so just shut up please already
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Appreciated. The Thread you linked was when hardly anything worked, So that video was the real basic end of Crane. Since then so many things have changed and as you mentioned Thousand Slashes was one of them. When this skill was nerfed it was mostly due to there being no counter to it aka Burn Defense. I do think the dmg should be changed now it is fixed because vs Classes like Karma you can not afford to spend time stacking multiple DOTs As you do not have time to do so. I do believe Crane vs Karma is a very hard fight and some could say impossible vs a good Karma like Flundaa for example. However i do believe there is a way Crane could beat Karma it just needs to be found. The real problem is Shout skill the animation is to long and can hop through basically any attack. Me and other members of staff will practice this match up so we can see what needs to be changed to make it 'Balanced'.
How does moving poison to somewhere else or on double gut buster hurt in anyway, its not even close to instant stuns??! Also logically dot master doesnt have all kind of dots i think im repeating this since last year .
Also 1k slashes should have been fixed a long time ago and ive heard its going to be fixed for the reason u mentioned but where are we now i guess its long forgotten.
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Sight...
Ok look.
Crane has few abilities that boost their surval quite alot.
First is crane discharge, wich boost their CON by 26
Second is put out the flames, wich can heal 4k+ if upgraded sub weapon everytime.
Cranes have also ability to slow + few movement speed reduction skills, to keep their oponents wich dont have 35m range skills, at at a nice distance.
And there is also the sleeping skill.
Cooldown of sleep is 42 seconds, and duration is 23 seconds.
If you go use alot of cooldown reduction, you could litterally just spam sleep , then debuffs, slow + Kd and sleep again into a endless circle
Throw in a few dots and burns and let them die in their sleep.
The main problem cranes have against classes that can dish out alot of dmg early on.
However if crane hermit player aquires alot of defences, con, and just be tanky enough to outlive that first momentum, it will become almost impossible for other classes to defeat crane.
And once you have crane player, who is tanky enough, and knows how to pvp other classes perfectly, he will defeat (almost) any class in 1vs1.
Sure i understand why you want a the stun being on Double gut buster, because that skill doesnt wake up the enemy in their sleep.
I dont even think that the idea is bad , it would save the trouble for cranes to sacrifise skill points to reach the poison skill, plus it would work on enemies in their sleep.
That suggestion would change
1. save alot SP (dont need poison anymore)
2. can use it on enemies in their sleep, so u can stun them as soon they wake up , or just incase u wnna keep them at a distance and u worried they stun u before u can cast sleep.
3. pretty fast animation too.
4. will help you fight SK easier
downsides
1. wont change a thing against karma
2. in my opinion, a buff thats not really needed
why? because in my opinion, there need some rework in PvP on both karma and SK first, and after that, look how situation changes and then look at other classes. not buff one because other classes are obviously OP.
That plus agile armour modification could give a chance against karmas . And these chsnges are neccessity one of the many reasons is to give them a chance in budokai prelims and not having dojo seed the only way to get a pass a qualification!
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they have a CON buff and a self healing skill.
look an actually good crane
Now with SK being nerfed, you can stack maximum energy def vs SK too.
ANyway, this is crane vs an class with 4 stuns and many other nasty things(SK)
What you think other classes r gonna be able to do vs a good crane?
will i sound rude if i said u dont belong to this thread?
Stop with ur sugar coated "good crane" giving newbies false hope to try this class.
I think we have already answered and reasoned with what u try to argue with.
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I've been invited to answer this thread.
I am Tien, the one and only crane to ever win Solo Budokai 1st place.
Let's run with the pros and cons for Crane in the current cap (I've never played, and I'm never playing until Tempest gets removed
)Crane Pros:
Spammable slow motion + fan out for Knockout of arena strat ( NO LONGER VIABLE DUE TO 30% MSPEED ON SKs)
Instant Bleed (Never Viable due to how easy it is to get anti bleed since lv 45 cap, nor have I ever used bleed in any budokai I've participated in as my main source of damage, Burn is the only skill you should depend on, but do punish those who dont wear anti bleed with a dodon barriage while they're sleep)
Freeze to cancel SK animation of Bold Strike (No longer works due to 5 second stun, no longer 3 seconds)
Paralysis to land sleep (No longer possible, you will be wasting 1.5 second to cast this, you won't have that time again due to the short cooldown of Violent Slice and Karma's constant KD/CC)
Lets look at the cons:
Anti bleed anti paralysis accessories
Squishy class
Long casting times
Long animation times (for fan out and master fan out]
Sendoku was a forerunner in crane in PoB, I've never played PoB, but PoB must've been really broken from what I've seen. This isn't PoB. If you wish to contact me just ask Daqjuan for my Discord and I'll let you see what I used to go on skill build, equipment and accessories.
I have not won last budokai due to lack of good players. I've beaten DrMed, Ayner, DreameR and others who had full sets maximum upgrades. Sk was finally ok to fight but from what i hear, stack CD against spiritualist and you spam stun that has a shorter charge duration than sleep and poison (it's more instantaneous than poison bleed)
Also, I've heard that 60 rings offer anti bleed and anti paralysis, if that's the case, avoid poison bleed, it'll be a waste of time and you'll give SK more time to go through rotations.
In summation:
Crane is fine, perhaps bring back 3 second stun on Shadow Knight and all will be good again.
Oh for those wondering about karma, dont bother. Karma simply a match up you can never win unless your opponent done goofs.
Number 1 Crane signin' out.
from what u state and pros almost look like the cons i didnt get how u surmised that this class was fine.
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Again if you had read the previous posts u would know we are talking paralyses and confusion with 5 second or something which they can be countered even stuns do with focus .
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Again, a terrible suggestion, giving a class that has "Sleep" an instant form of CC will overpower it to the point of being ridiculous. No one would stand a chance.
Please dont poke your nose out of no where , there has been 2 threads over this recently both over 6 pages so of you want to know WHY and HOW it doesnt make this class op go read them and please unless you have played this class dont even bother discussing it with us thank you.
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nerfing isnt a solution really it kills the fun of the class i dont advice on nerfing neither sk nor karma but make weaker classes more interesting or at least tempting to play with
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By the way this should be in suggestuon thread since its suggestion topic
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i know and neither of them gonna be op in my opinion cause like i said in my previous post all can be countered with accessories we are not talking about stuns paralyse and confuse can easily be countered.
BUT why i prefer confuse directly used from energy heat wave is because with paralyses there are accessories having both anti bleed and anti paralyze effect so opponent wont do much differently and stacking anti paralyse will make this change kinda useless but if its 5 sec direct confuse there are no accessories having both anti bleed and anti confuse together so they will need to change their accessories and cranes can have an opening at that time during changing thats my point
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You have a point there, but if crane got even 2.5 secs at the start of match it gonna be done for the opponent. In this 2.5 sec many things can change.
But i agree with you wjen stacking anti confusion it gonna be useless like to 1 sec.
Thats my point its gonna be useless if anti confuse stacked but the good thing for cranes is they will have to change accessories from anti bleed to anti confuse then back which will require more skill and timing for the opponent and not just stack anti bleed
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forum.dboglobal.to/wsc/index.php?attachment/2211/
this pretty much sums it up, not counting karma though
Yup invincible u summed it up well done(sarcasm in case u missed it)
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It would be op because it will make crane directly uses dots while target is confused then uses freeze. It may get countered by anti confusion but won'tbe a good thing to have it gonna make crane hermit a 2 click class like fighter.
Bad Picollo idea is better about changing double gut buster to poison to use spirit wave.
They could stack anti confuse at the start of match and it needs only 50% to make it 2.5 second confuse they could easily stack more...anyway i agree with bad picolos suggestion i just added this as a way to even out the chance against karmas there is no reason not to make cranes a challenging class
