This is a sad fact, this game will eventually die out just like every other games would and the developers that make new changes or add new events are just delaying the inevitable and trying to keep it alive as possible ???
Posts by DangerLord54
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The threads are pointless unless the staff agrees with it which they never do ever since the game revival from what I know.
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Ask Daneos for the files, make your own server where ppl get easy +15 and see what happens.
Ok, will do. Daneos can you give me the files please so I can test if people all having +15 will ruin the game. XD.
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They quit cuz the game itself is ass. Not DBOG in general.
If they quit because there is nothing new to offer then changing the upgrade system to make it fairer is something new and will bring players back and motivated to play again to work hard for +15. And answer me one more question, how will everyone eventually having all +15 in the game, will break and ruin the game?
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Guys, if we remove the RNG in the upgrade system then it will close the gap between f2p, cashers and buggers. And besides, the reason players are quiting is because the result they get from their weeks and weeks of hard farming is unfair and stupid because of the upgrade RNG, this game is mostly 90% RNG based which what makes this game different when comparing to other MMOs and which is why this game is slowly dying. But there is one thing that is needed for this thread or Lostcoco idea to work, you will need the dbog staff to listen to this thread and agree with it, and answer me this question, when has there ever a time where the staff have ever put some players suggestion to heart and put it in the game?
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Also the whole point of "people will quit once they get +15" is really just not smart. People are quitting BEFORE getting +15 because they grind their asses off to get shat on by the upgrade system. Once people get their gear +14/15 they will feel like they can finally compete in the end game which is budokai and doing cc150 and such.
The whole point of MMOs is to reach end game, grind your ass off for BiS gear and then do PVP or wait for higher tier content to get better gear.
You got a very good point there, this game is mostly 90% RNG based which limits you on getting something good or make you better at the game which makes this game the opposite side of the coin when comparing to the other MMOs. If the staff would just take some of the players suggestions to heart then we won't be having this problem people quiting because the result the players get from their hard work and farming didn't make them any better. If the staff listens and take Lostcoco suggestion then it would motivate players to work hard and won't have their hard work be put to waste. But answer me this question, when was there a time when the dbog staff took someone's suggestion to heart and put it in the game?
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Hello, Good day guys and girls!
Thanks for your comment and Input ExaltedGeico!
I quoted this from you because it said in other words something about why I'm concerned about the +15 at 100% rate. The good side of it at the beginning will be the motivation, the shine and happiness of having a +15 item or set, the maps, auction house, LFG/Trade chat will we crowned with Adv. Stones at certain point, we will have a new economy, a new air..and immediately after we reach our goal of +15 the community, my friends and me will be so happy!... but at some time or point, maybe it will be not that rewarded even with the efforts from F2P/Cash Players to reach that level of upgrades with our current Cap and PVE/PVP Status. About PVP i cant say much, i can only imagine how it will be with everyone at +15 with more or less the same accessories and probably same gear Setup with probably the same skill build.., maybe it will benefit it.. maybe don't, i don't know.. And bout PVE, right now it will makes real easy to do TMQ's / CCBD / UD's / BID's at certain moment of the game (I'm taking lvl 70 in consideration too), if that kind of environment isn't adjusted for the very possible +15 solo/party ...the PVE/PVP could take an unwanted way (like i said in another post in this same thread and mainly for PVE because without it we can't PVP) to prevent that (in my opinion) we need something like an improved difficulty-mechanic, adjust the drop rate of certain items, maybe lower the drop rate of the stones [6], etc.
Another "small" negative side effect..maybe will be the motivation of some players.. it could be lost at certain time, they probably will be bored fast (like i said at the anterior paragraph) and no motivated to upgrade at all because they are possibly unable to find someone who is special (someone with rarest items, higher upgrades, rarest accessories, etc.), no more "Hacker" or related comments at LFG/Trade to joke, to talk about as community, to help somehow in motivation when a message told us someone upgrades to 12+ something, that part of the game will be almost unnecessary as part of the upgrading motivation because mostly everyone will be at +15 in certain time, yup i know like i said before at another post in the same thread, a failure, isn't motivating at all i understand is kinda frustrating, but somehow it's a balance that keep us trying to improve, or at least to some and good numbers of the community, ...and sadly.. the balance itself isn't something easy to achieve... but we could think in something for it together..the more inputs, the better.
Indeed TW was a PAIN at the upgrades, the SEVERAL +1 from Adv. Stones.. , SEVERAL loss of legendary / rare quality items with perfect popular stats, which means lots and lots of days of hard work or effort to get them, to get the resources - White Stones for that, lost.., .... and talking White Stones, your idea is good indeed, i like it, but if i don't misunderstood it, i think it still keeps the +15 at 100% and taking in consideration what i said before, even with our efforts and low chance of success we have, if we are going to literally suppress the break as we know it, maybe we could add a penalty as substitute of break to keep the balance.. a tweak at the success rate like a slightly lower chance of it [1].. , a tweak at stones, something like lower the 100% success from Gloves/Sub to +2 or +3 and Armor to +1 or +2 [2] , lower the effectiveness of Adv Stones from +1 ~ +3 to 0,+1 ~ +2 [3], and maybe adding a -3 ~ -4 [4] at Failed, and when the White Stones are used a -1 ~ -2 or -1/0 ~ - 3 for Break [5] and as optional, lowering a bit the stones drop rate [6] and maybe using the some of the ideas i commented on my 1st paragraph.
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1. Yup yup.. i know how hard this could hit,.. but it's for the sake of balance.
2. Yup.. this change will impact a bit in comparative to the one we had since TW, and sadly this have a chance of lowering the demand of regular stones.
3. Yup yup.. i know... I'm sorry friends
, i know this defeats this thread, but i couldn't think other idea at the moment for them to balance the White Stones idea.4. I think It could help a bit to balance the possible lower demand of regular stones from point 2, but.. i don't know, is harder to upgrade in my opinion without White Stones at +5 ~ +6 for Gloves/Sub and +3 ~ +4 for Armor, even with my idea at point 2.
I was thinking other idea for the Failed part of Upgrades if a White Stones is used for the idea from ExaltedGeico but i think it will be not good at all for the community, or i don't know, i will tell you anyway, it's about giving a 25%~60% of success at White Stones and if it fails -1 to the current upgrades, just to don't completely defeat the purpose of White Stones and have some Balance at same time.
5. Yup, this is something similar to Break with White Stones and still keeps the high chance of having a +15 and a higher chance if the second option is taken., both options can be added i guess, if 1 White Stone is used, then a -1 ~ 2 will be in action for Break, but if we use certain and fair numbers of White Stones like ExaltedGeico suggest.. we could have the option for -1/0 ~ -3 or if the range is too big, maybe a -1/0 ~ -2 will do.
6. Not good i know,.. it will make the grind part bigger (but fair in my opinion for the 100% +15 - Adv. Stones idea).. that's why i put it as optional for White Stones idea, because even me the one who gave the idea of lowering the drop rate, I'm not sure if this will be good for the community because i saw several post about it and their response wasn't positive at all.
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Please don't get me wrong friends, even when I'm good with our current Upgrade System that doesn't mean i don't care for others, I'm not trying to be a party popper or something like that because it defeats my beliefs, the happiness of any living being.., I'm just trying to help, to find a balance..I'm not against Lostcoco idea nor against ExaltedGeico idea, i really like both indeed, my intention is to look at the future for the good and prosperity of community and DBOG itself (like you guys and girls and others in this thread and outside of it, you guys and girls want the same for the community and DBOG too). I always say this: "The positive aspect is not something to worry", that's why I'm not that focused on it in comparative to the possible negative or possible unwanted side effects and please don't forget DangerLord54 idea, this thread is to discuss it and we slightly took other way and put the focus on other thing, even when its about upgrades, isn't about the topic, thank you!
Thank you so much guys and girls for your time to read and care for this thread!.
Have a really shinny day for you and for the ones you care!
OMFG, how long did it took you to type that much? XD
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I thought this thread was forgotten into the history books? I'm glad to see that people still come up with their theories and solutions to this problem and still socializing.
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Hahahahahaha, I'll agree, the +1 has to go, I went to cc and at the entrance, I saw a fighter with +15 stick and glove so yeah I think the buggers are back and they have ruined the game once again. But you know how this game is, staff would just not listen and I'm just waiting for people like SumTingWong to come and break the thread down just like how my thread about +1 has forgotten into history XD.
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We all know that Problem you got a nice Spot to Farm
then out of nowhere a second Player spam an Attack on Your pullt Mobs
so i think about how to Punish this Players if they get Reportet with Pictures or Vids
maybe a GM can give them a 2 Hours Ingame Time debuff like 15% less LP, EP or 5% less Melee, Energie damage
to make sure next Time he or she didnt do that again
Mate, in this game, it is every man for himself, you just have to be very stubborn and try to steal their mobs as well if they steal yours.
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See, this is what i like to see. i made this thread to see what people think about the idea and the best solution that can be done and made if it is reached. I have said so many times in this thread that i put this up because i heard MANY players wanting it so i made this thread to see what everyone really thinks. So we don't need to suddenly judge people like Peinetrator did because someone bought an idea up that others was thinking. We can do this like mature man and woman. If you voted, you have to have a reason for it as well so make sure to leave it so we can all agree or disagree if it is a good idea.
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These votes dont mean anything. Who cares about 48 people voting for some dumb change? Whats next? Will we vote for balance changes? Wow all the SK mains voted against nerfs such a shock. But they also complained about not being able to kill dende so lets vote vor dende nerfs. Oh wow would you look at that dende now has 20% less health.
Grow up and stop making these redundant vote threads that accomplish absolutely nothing.
Acting all entitled just because you are able to be collectively frustrated and click a button.
No shit that some snowflakes get mad cause their purple and green pixels only gave +1.
Did i ever say that i'm mad because advance give +1? did i say that happen to me in this entire thread? And are you judging people to be mad and act like a child just because they are giving their opinion and then you tell them to grow up because of that, i think this is what you call judging a book by its cover and you are a perfect example of it, so how about this? how about you can keep those negative thoughts to yourselves and talk in a more mature manner? because right now, I think YOU need to grow up and stop being a pr*ck!! you got the power to act your age and not make yourself look like a d*ck. if you want to say that votes mean nothing then just say it but you don't have to be a bi*ch about it and just judge people however you want.
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so 48 players out of 70 voted yes sooooo... should advacne give +2 minimum?
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Hard to balance classes if there will be more level caps. At level 80 people will have 10 more skill points, imagine if there will be more.
I wonder, when lvl 80 comes out, will the SP limit on some skills level will be increased like fighter "super high speed needle" max SP lvl is 5, i wonder if it will increase to 6 or Master class passive skill increase from 6 to 7 when lvl 80 comes out.
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Will there be any other caps besides 80 in the future?
There is a lot of unreleased map so yes, there maybe other caps besides 80 but you just have to wait and see.
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As Daq it's a title that isn't currently available in game, nothing custom made.
Does the "Special Title" give any stat boost or is it just to show you are a big dragon ball nerd?
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Back in POB, when my fighter hit lvl 60. It only took me only 1 full week to get from lvl 60 to 70 by just questing and grinding the rest of the way when there is no more quest. So if lvl 70 comes out now, people can get to lvl 70 in no time. Op lvl 70 gear comes back and then they quit again after they are done until lvl 80 is out where there is new content, u80 stones and lvl 80 gears. But we should take our time and be patient.
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And just give up, stop complaining so much and enjoying the game.
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The suggestion you edited are not reasonable enough. You're going to have to put more reasoning to why all of these idea should be done, just giving a couple of words and sentences will not convince us or the staff.
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I had enough of this thread. I'm calling a DBOG staff here to close it down!
