Posts by sSMETESs

Quote from Hardlock

Nop, in this vídeo i have 133% speed and the dmg (or the speed) still bad:

In this video from dbo tw, he only use (thunder) 50% + gloves 25% + 24% = 99% speed, and there is much difference compared to DBOG...

Minute: 4:45

Maybe the problem is in DMG of speed, or the speed still slow

It seems to me that the attack speeds shown in the videos are almost the same, but the damages are VERY different.

I just compared the two video clips and found that damage shown in the one from DBOG was almost 1/10 or 1/20 when compared to that shown in the TW one (below 200 damage vs. 1300-3000 damage). It would have been great if you had moved your stat window away so I could check the exact damage and whether it crited or not. At the moment, it's hard to tell why the damage is so low, given various factors. Still, I don't understand why the speed of 133% and that of 99% do not seem to be vastly different, but:

(tentative) conclusion: It is not only a matter of speed but of damage.

Quote from Fei

Meaning it got faster right? Since the cycle of the animation used to take 100ms, now it got tuned to potentially 1ms per cycle?

That's what I am asking about. From what he said, attack speed is supposed to have become faster. But, some people say it hasn't been. Curious.

I asked Daneos about what he meant by saying "attack speed limit removed," and he said:

"The attack speed animation modifier used to be capped at 100ms. But now it can go down to 1ms like it did in DBO TW."

It's strange that my friends said they couldn't feel any change of speed before and after the update.

What do you guys think?

Quote from ThorOdinson

As I said, I won't keep explaining it to you, bro.

You are just trying to apply logic to your view of how the game may be, but clearly you haven't actually experienced the current end game, pvp wise at least.

Nope. I couldn't care less for plat drama. I'm not some kid who is mad he's getting beaten by others, did you even read the thread?

We're talking about stats, which means it applies to everything... plat, rankeds, duels.

I only told you to go to plat because in case you hadn't reached LV70, then that's the only place where you could've seen the stats in action since you couldn't do real rankeds or duels if you weren't LV70.

As I said, you are talking about stuff which you don't actually play atm (according to you), so why comment about it?

Just go and try it out.

My comments are based on what I see and test as the rest of the people on this thread who agrees.

I see a fully +15 geared SK with good/best stats getting rekt by non crits from humans with just ok gear (not even upgraded). If they crit you, they simply overkill you. This is nonsense, there shouldn't be a need to explain why.

Well, now I'm out. All that needed to be said, has been said. Nothing more to do on this thread but hope the staff takes it in consideration.

Thanks for your time.

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Thank you for your comment. You're absolutely correct in most of what you've said.

As a DW with a decent set of amours, I have experienced of getting killed by one or two shots by humans like you said (cranes and fighters, respectively). I have also observed many times an almost perfectly geared SK getting killed by a fighter on plat (the fighter was also great, though). However, in a rank battle, the SK always won against him. Even with the increased damage from the update, the chance of winning hasn't changed that much as I have observed.

So, you were talking about stats, a more fundamental issue, and I was talking about balance (i.e. a chance of winning in rank battles). The two are VERY closely correlated, but technically not exactly the same. In that sense, I was kind of off-topic from the beginning. That's the reason why our discussion wasn't very successful than it could be.

Plus, although I had played DBO for about 3 and half years back in the day and believed that I had had a good enough understanding of PvP at that time, you are correct in that I must experience the CURRENT DBOG more, simply because it is different than the one I used to play.

I understand that you wouldn't visit this thread anymore, but I just wanted to apologize for any inconvenience my comments may have caused you. Thank you again for leaving your comments so nicely.

Have a good one.

Quote from Ace_ove_spades

HAHAHAHAHA Wow you are clearly havent reach lvl 70 stay out of conversation mongrel (hehe stole leo's punch line) if you dont know whats being talked about.

You're mistaken.

IF a game is really UNbalanced, there must be one single class which can truly beat any player of any class, which is not the case.

Logic:

"If A is the case, B is true" is logically identical to "If B is not true, A is not the case."

Therefore:

Since there is no single class which can truly beat any player of any class, the game is not really unbalanced.

Please read other's thread a little more carefully before you calling him a mongrel.

Quote from ThorOdinson

It's the only place where you can pvp, except for rankeds and duels.

In this matter in particular, it doesn't matter if it's plat, we're talking about stats.

Why does it not matter? Why are you only talking about plat, excluding rank battles and duels? Plat is NOT the only place but IS just ONE PLACE where one can PvP. I guess you're pissed off about getting killed by one shot by humans (crane, for example) on plat.

I understand what you are talking about, but I personally don't think one should take it so seriously since they can prove their strength in real PvP contents such as rank battles and duels.

But, anyway, after reading your thread, it makes more sense to me as to what you were complaining about. No offense, no sarcasm.

Quote from ThorOdinson

Sorry, I hope this doesn't sound rude but it seems you don't know enough about this game, of it's end game I mean.

So there is no point for me to keep explaining it when you can just see it by yourself.

I say this because I read you wrote "...there must be one single class which can truly beat any player of any class, which is not the case", this tells me you haven't experienced end game, that's all.

If you've reached LV70, go to plat and see other people attacking each other and you'll see. There is no other way to test since the only end game pvp content atm is plat and ranked.

Sorry, but it is you who don't understand the other's point. Furthermore, you totally ignored what I wrote "IF a game is really UNbalanced..." (that's what you've been arguing) in my thread. That's subjunctive mood. (Google it if you don't know what it means.) Let me make my point clear again.

(1) You said humans could beat any class so easily. (2) You also said SK was always OP. In addition to that, (3) you agreed that Karma was a PvP machine.

Let's just ignore all the other classes and talk about these three classes for our discussion.

If (1) is true, there must be no SK or Karma that can beat human classes. Is that true? NO.

If (2) is true, your argument (1) has no ground.

If (3) is true, (1) and (2) have little ground.

Do you know what I mean?

Independently, I myself have reached LV70 now and used to enjoy PvP a lot (in the retail server) than you may think.

I understand the details between DBOG and the old DBO are similar BUT different, but still, I have to say that your assumption and argument are fundamentally illogical. Think about it.

Quote from ThorOdinson

Humans are currently beating everyone easily and I'm not talking about good humans, I'm talking about people with semi decent gear beating fully +15 geared SKs which are supposed to be crazy tanks, and without crits... if they crit you, it's overkill.

SKs were always OP in the game. That's just factual. Sure they could be nerfed, but that's another kind of conversation.

Karma is a pvp machine, doubt anyone argues on that matter.

And no, the game is not balanced at all. Idk what's your level or if you play pvp, but when you do you realize some classes are broken.

You should understand that what you are saying is self-contradictory. Humans can beat any class so easily AND SK is OP AND Karma is a PvP machine? And what about Denden? Are you sure you can beat a really good Denden by a chance of over 70 or 80%? Are you sure a semi decent geared human can beat a really good, a full +15 SK all the time? If a game is really unbalanced, there must be one single class which can truly beat any player of any class, which is not the case.

Some people are saying humans can beat anyone so easily.

Some people say SK is really hard to beat for any class.

Some people say Karma is truly #1 in PvP.

Who is correct? Do you see my point?

If all of them are saying the truth IN THEIR BELIEF, it only means the game is sort of balanced.

Quote from Sendoku

Make it 1vs1 and there won't b any number of participants problems.

Makes sense. Recall, however, that the Kid rank battle event that was cancelled a month ago was 1 vs 1. Nurturing a character up to level 29 is not that hard and there must have been many players who were leveling one , but the event ended up failing anyway. That is, as Aru and SHEEN pointed out, more participation and interest from players are needed in order for an event to be successful. That is the most important thing, I guess.

Reply here or let me know at sSMETESs in game.

I am interested. If not sold yet, let me know.

Quote from Aru

Thanks for the insight sSMETES! I do share the same feeling and have some stuff to add to those points:

1. I'd say the reward is satisfactory, but probably not many want to chip in (because of point 4).
2. LP potions are zeni, and autopots aren't that expensive and can be bought from another person who cashes. When Budokai comes, if people expect to with an automatic disadvantage which is not using items, then I have bad news for them. Apart from that, cash shop will be changed and some items (as autopots) will be available out of the shop (as in event rewards), but you can ask any pvp player from original servers and you might get a similar answer in that regard.
3. That is where you guys are important but sadly don't acknowledge that! When I post a thread in here I don't expect that even 5% of the community reads it, and that's the sad reality. However, those that read and feel the information given is important can contribute by sharing or simply spreading the word, that is how a community stays alive, and more so in a private server.
4. I am not well-geared myself and I know that with good strategy and skill with decent upgrades you can beat +15 players, if you don't think you can make it then ofc do not participate. The objective of the tournament was to have fun, not determine a champion or anything. I am also a player, and even though I play only a little because of my time availability and I don't cash, I would have participated for the sake of fun. 25kk isn't much to me and this is a test server, but that is just me.

Systemized events are only going to take place in OB. Until that we just have these, so hopefully next one have success.

Cheers and thanks again for your comments.

Aru

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To clarify:

1. I agree. But that's what they said. =(

2. They meant cash LP potion since it has a shorter CD. However, one can buy it with zeni, too. I forgot to mention about an item, party popo, which is basically a cash item.

3&4. I couldn't agree more.

I hope players will appreciate your effort to make the event happen although it has been cancelled and taste the joy of having fun.

What a sad news! I have heard about some complaints about the event, and I want share them with you so that next events can hopefully be more successful.

1. The reward is not satisfactory.

2. In order to win, they would have to buy cash items such as LP recovery kits and LP potions.

When 1 and 2 above are taken into consideration, they seem to think it is the tail wagging the dog.

3. Not widely advertised in game. Many players, particularly those who don't speak English and use this forum often, do not even know the event would be taken place.

4. Even many players who know about the event have ended up giving it up because they think they are weak. (You know that there are so many full +15 geared players out there.)

It must be hard to take all these into consideration and make a better event because it is going to be just a CM event, not a systemized in-game one. I can only hope next event will be more successfully held.

Quote from Ace_ove_spades

unforcunatley this damage increase is alienating players in pvp. theres less of a balance right now then the was 2 weeks ago. this update allows any +15 fighter, swordsmen and turtle to one shot most classes. unless they have +15 then they need 2 moves.

a few things about your comment.

1)con is not available for ur gloves.

2) con for humans cant tank fighters or turtles attacks with update unless they have +15 and the fighters and turtles have like +10 or worst. therefore its just a first nuke wins scenario

3) your leaving out dots this update doesn't do anything for cranes or dendes who require dots to win pvps.

4) I do agree with your movitation for +15 but its misplaced.

ill mention the current way of upgrading its very hard to achieve +15 for more than one set of armour. depending on the class you play, some classes require several sets of armour to pvp. like crane for instance.

heres some quick info

cranes require 2or even 3 sets of armour to effectively do pvp.

they have full foc for fighters, andswords so there stuns can land especially speed restrain.

they have tmq7 armour with con and foc effects to fight turtles, sks, and karmas and plasma, dendes and pokos

they have con physical crafted armour or grand chef majins, and buffer majins

this is just a simple list to prove my point. Its not very likely to have 2 sets of gear +15 to mitigate this update. unless u cash heavly or bug.

I don't get why a lot of people just want to be one punch man and pointlessly and effortlessly defeat opponents in 1 hit, that's how you generate negative interest in a game quickly eventually causing bordom due to simplicity of game.

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(1) FOC, not CON, my mistake (Independently, CON IS available for a certain type of glove. it will come out.)

(2) I don't understand this. Sorry.

(3) Agreed.

(4) I've never talked about +15. I only talked about a general motivation for enchantment.

Given that 1 FOC equals to 0.78 energy offense, if one could have an additional 78 energy offense when geared/buffed with 100 FOC, it will be almost like their weapons are +1 or 2 level stronger than otherwise. That's true. However, I still don't think the increase of offense will change the game in PvP drastically.

VPN GATE could be a solution. For more info, please google. (I myself don't use it, so please don't ask me for the details. Sorry, dude.)

Quote from Ace_ove_spades

this is bad, adding more damage is ruiening the game.

turtles can 1 shot sks now in pvp. so can fighters. this game is turning from somewhat of a skill based game to a stupid bland nuke fest.

damage should be reduced not increased. make it more skilled base instead of 1 trick pony in pvp.

reducing damage requires everyone to learn there character and learn actual combos.

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This is not easy to answer. I agree with you that the game would be more fun if it was more skill-based (actually, it is), but basically increasing dmg is a motivation for players to enhance their armours and weapons. Plus, one could have a choice between CON and crit dmg, for example, on their glove. On top of that, a good player will just do what they have done so far in PvP and win anyway, giving zero shit to the change from the update.

Edit: FOC, not CON, my mistake

Quote from Ace_ove_spades

my solution is to add a timer delay if u close the client u remain for a few seconds

This makes much more sense.

That is just because of lag. That's not an ingame glitch but a network problem. If you have a good ping, the problem will be resolved right away.

You can complete all the relevant quests in an hour, and now you are leaving the game because you don't want to spend an hour. Good bye.