Posts by Vadim

Quote from Tactikill

Its very VERY difficult if you are not forced to take an ulti in the party:

1. They are not viable as DPS because their DPS is absolute garbage. And there are many other superior options.

2. There is a stupid 30 second loot rule, so you cant do it on an alt and come in on your buffer and pick the item up.

3. You would have to know people who are willing to handicap themselves by taking you if you are to gain legendary accessories as a buffer in 70 cap if they allowed you to buff outside.

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Number 2 is not right. Thats how we did it. We diced for the item and picked it up with alt character.

Quote from Astin

everyone saying this change is good ,we should keep this change but have you guys seen the positive side of this ? cuz rn is clearly only Ultimate meta ,not grand chef not plasma .People go as far as calling Ultimate the only buffer. So here we talk about 1 subclass that can do everything. They can pvp, they can farm in world with 2xSpins,they can level easly,and now you are forced to take one on every dungeon/ccbd/etc.

So this class ultimate is best at everything? cuz someone just said a pvp class shouldnt be good for pve. Then explain this plz.

Because swordman which is already hard af to play, is only good for pvp and thats all but i wouldn;t go as far as to call him GOOD because he is below averege and needs extreme skil and extreme items. Yet he can't do pve or farm world mobs...

Basically this.

People are just forced to take Ultima which doesnt help at all, besides making grandma more useless and less played and people are forced to take ultima even though they only want the buffs. Why should a class be good at everything anyways?

Quote from Tummi

Daneos could just force players to take buffer in party + Decrease a bit boss hp to make it almost as fast as with full speed party. Both sides are happy.

I would rather go 4 man instead of taking a buffer tbh. And forcing or restricting is the worst solution ever.

Quote from Tactikill

Do that and a buffer never gets into Bacterian, Cell or Kraken.

People will just buff outside.

Ulti has much lower damage than a lot of classes, and so will not be used inside the dungeon.

Im already going to be unable to collect lvl 70 accessories on my fighter because of this absurd 30 second loot rule, don't stop my ulti from farming them also.

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I have an ultima myself and had one in POB and its completely possible to gear him up.

Quote from Bad Picollo

Then now comprare other class buffs to his buffs, come on guys ultimate is support not full dps, even if he don't have best dmg he increase stats of all other members he also doing very helpfull damage, if you want buffs take buffer to your party thats should be logic.

buffer was not designed to be taken in BIDS because theyre bad dungeon clear class.

Imagine this scenario:
Amount of ultimas and grandmas is pretty low and in order to clear kraken / cell / bacterian you need an ultima. If you play at an unfortunate time you wont fine one and end up lvling your own buffer up. Besides that people would rather create an alt buffer and leave him afk in the dungeon instead of giving a random buffer which doesnt do anything some loot.

How does this help the small amount of ultima players? Its just toxic for any other class, and kinda bad for ultima too (I play ultima at cap, in OB and POB).

Quote from Bad Picollo

No one at lvl 70 will let his buffer being afk in serious party because now with his spin or kidbuu he can do real damage.

with kidboo he deals around 800-1k per hit and only can use it for one run since others will lose their buffs, and he has to rebuff. And spin deals 50-60k damage over 12 seconds with an exhaust after that and compared to others damage thats nothing.

Quote from Iceman

We can debate like this, 4ever.

Like I said, I am not fan of this idea, but buffers mains complain regarding this.

Still if would this lead for more options regarding use of other classes and in BID's would for sure, then I am up for it.

Of course some people will complain if it's kinda hard or not going their way.

Keep your opinions coming though.

Quote from Iceman

Freedom is taken away in start of game soon classes, party roles are set.

In each MMO there is always TANK, DPS, SUPPORT...

I am sure you play more games than me and you saw this soo tell me, is it normal for 1 player to play on 5 accounts and do dungeon alone?

I never saw this in any MMO, I am team player and I love to play with PEOPLE, if I want to play like that, I wouldn't play "online" game lel.

Still don't get me wrong, I am not fan of this even tho I dislike multi client thing, but there should be way that each class can be part of party in any BID or CC.

If revert back would lead to that, I am up for it.

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The only reason for this change was BIDS but did you ever consider cc150?
The first party to clear CC150 must have an ultima with them. After the first runs you can substitute the 5th player, but never the buffer.
He might be bad for BIDS, but so is fighter, SM, Plasma. Ultima is a pretty decent open world stone/gear/db farmer and not only a buffbot.

Ultima is good for budokai, cc, open world farming and just bad for bids because you want to clear them as fast as possible.

Since when should one class be good for everything? Classes have their strengths and weaknesses, and BIDS might be one weakness but buffers have their strengths, and are a must have for higher CC runs.

Quote from Santocraft

Personal opinion:

If only one client is available, people who are not Karma/Poko/Dende/SK/Ultimate won't have the chance to play dungeons, because right now, those are the classes that simply work for the "perfect speed party". If you create a human, a Chef or a DW you won't be invited. And of course a party without a Ultimate, Dende and Tank, are impossible(talking about making a party where everyone has the same level of the dungeon). That leaves with 2 spots available which end up being the Poko (speed) and Karma (speed) to make the party easier.

That's why reverting this change can make other classes "viable" in means of you can simply fill that spot with whatever is needed instead of an ultima.
You lack damage invite any kind of dps with speedgear. You're missing a tank then you can simply take a DW and still have a party which is fast enough to spam the dungeon and actually profit from that.

Quote from Iceman

Yes if you look it that way and this is only because speed party is mandatory.

If NTL never made this shit as attack speed, we wouldn't even discuss about this.

Still I see your point but I am sure you see mine too, I am sick of HUMANS BallZ Online game, sick of it!

It was, and always will remain like this. Most people play it because of super saiyan and the abilities which are close to anime/games.
There's not much you can do against that, so I don't really see why forcing people into that role.

And what I mostly dislike is the fact that freedom is getting taken away, it's a game and in my opinion we shouldn't have restrictions like that since they ruin variety and this takes fun away.

Quote from Iceman

Well only reason why people even complain it is because dual client is possible.

I mean go check other MMO and you will see that there are people with 1 or 2 characters without dual client thing.

You guys can complain how much you want about this but as long dual client is possible, people won't even consider to main anything else that core classes and that is why this game is dieing out

Fix dual client, no AFK Token abuse, no one man party taking dungeons, it will be team play and people will work on their characters beside "human PVP" classes shits as you can see now.

On - topic: No this shouldn't be done, let majins have chance to get BID's stuffs.

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No matter what he does, multiclient will be done anyways, either through a second pc/laptop or virtual machines.
Majins have a chance of getting items, I mean in POB my ultima had full kraken/cell stuff.
And now its basically turned the other way, you have to take an ultima (sidenote ultima is better than grandma, so only ultimas profit from this change) and all fighters/sm (which are much more than ultima and grandma) wont be in parties for sure.

Quote from Tempest

Hello,

The buffing mechanic was altered and adjusted for the following reasons:

• It did not make much sense for a party to take a whole part of the ultimate/chef skill set (the core buffs which is arguably the most important part of the skill set) without these classes being present inside the actual dungeon.
• Many players who mained buffing classes complained that they were useless due to everyone leveling up their own personal private buffer
• This was to help encourage a more different variety of classes within parties to be formed instead of the generic shadow knight, poko, dende, karma + extra standard party.

Many players felt other classes were abusing the duration of the ultimate and chef classes, which was why some members of the community demanded for this mechanic to be changed.

Regards,

Tempest

DBO G Staff

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1. Thats kinda true, the class was abused but however thats the only downside I see

2. It's still like this, people who need a buffer will rather lvl their own since it doesnt take that much time and not many people play buffer class

3. Well the intention was completely missed, because you are forced to take a buffer now and have much less variety now its basically ultima, dende, turtle, karma, poko for speed

and just because some members wanted this change, it was necessary to bringt it without evaluating the negative aspects?

Quote from Bad Picollo

Good luck with going somewhere without buffer.

Of course with the current imo bad changes they are necessary, but again why the restrictions?

Why are people forced to take a buffer into their party, thats upright dumb

Quote from emmanu500

there is a new system where the buffer can play an important role in a party speed, movement speed = more damage in the spins

the damage cant compete with speed at all, and will never be able to.

Quote from Bad Picollo

I don't care what is good in your party, but good crane will always find slot everywhere like good fighter and sword, amen.

i guess good buffers will find a slot anywhere aswell?

Quote from Bad Picollo

lmao maybe if is your crane then no one take it, but good crane is good crane.

Cranes are not good for party budo. That a fact

Quote from Bad Picollo

You must understand that here are classes that are better in pve or pvp no one will take sword or fighter to party while turtle or plasma/crane can do better work, DW is broken and weak he can have best def and be tanky but is useless while he can't keep the aggro.
Thats why most of ppl have 2 characters or more.

That point makes no sense, people dont take cranes in serious parties with them because its bad same with buffer, they are bad in dungeons. Do you want to make a restriction now or what? It might be good for buffers but bad for any other class

Quote from Cashalot

So you can spam CC/kraken/cell with buffs from ultima/cheff/plasma on ur whole team, while having none of these classes inside your team, while having a team setup consisting off 1 tank, 3 dps, 1 dende.

Am i right?~

CC120 and CC150+, buffer are necessary and the rewards are probably the best you can get.

Quote from Astin

you're missing this :forum.dboglobal.to/wsc/index.php?attachment/1409/

thanks i will edit that in

Quote from Astin

looking foward to progress ,i really want to see different kind of partys taking the compettitive way not only just speed.

Im curious if there even is a way around speed since floor 90 oneshots you if youre too slow at the end.
Dont know a way to dodge the bombdamage.

Maybe crit can do it in 60 or 70 cap?

In my opinion this change should be reverted, since it has so many negative aspects.

-On relog your own buffs are deleted aswell (including dragonbuffs)

-buffer is a bad class in speedruns and stealing a spot, why should I give someone the chance to get an item for basically buffing (which other classes do too) at the beginning and not doing anything anymore?

-its annoying if you play as a buffer to rebuff every 1-2 minutes (ud3 for example) and just demotivating

-people who main buffer can form a party with friends or guildmembers to do the runs even with buffer

my reasons for now, change my mind.

Edit: Thanks to Astin.

Quote from Sandu

Maybe someone will post this here~

Btw, next dojo war we will take it from you again, this time i hope you guys do something to make the battle fun

if there is.
And go ahead who cares? You seem desperate.

Just gonna leave this here

now please, less ranting on others achievments because you're jealous or mad.

Quote from Sandu

again faze do it first lol.

Doing cc50+ now is pointless.

Wheres ryosai dojo btw? Too much trauma to go on?

show me cc90 with your nice 3 tanks combo, kokkara.

Our progress, since paradise apparently can only flame

Quote from Cashalot

If getting legendary pieces become so easy, then what is the value of scramble?

Why do you come up with scramble? One player out of hundreds gets the wish? Thats not a good source of legendaries

and as I said. People actually want to farm legendary earrings with good stats, and not box them.

Quote from TheProdige

you'r the one trashtalking.

As I said, come up with facts and not those pointless talk. Especially you, lol. All I see is you ranting that the game is not easier.

Quote from Sandu

Ryosai bullshit proud member

Paradise random member at the top (of being random)