On speed partys you mostly auto attack, he means that for speed parties you don't need to change your crit build.
Going both just meens that besides your crit weapons you will need another upgraded speed hands and an speed wand (that you don't really have to upgrade).
You will farm with crit and do end game dungeons with speed parties cause it is faster and you need to do them alot (apart that many won't take you with you if you don't have a decent speed set too)
Thanks for the advice 
En el mapa de nivel 60, Papaya Island
Farmea todo lo que puedas y te aveces te caeran items con buenas stats, vendelos. O tambien pueden juntar todo lo que cae y venderlo al comerciante, tambien te da bastante porque son items de lvl alto.
En el mapa de nivel 60, Papaya Island
Why would u need a super specific 2018 1 link cracked build for just using autoattack... Just go pvp build lol, at the end while doing PVE all u do is use kames and while doing Speed party all you do is using autoattacks.
Bests,
Errede
Meh, I prefer following an specific build, that's why im going crit. Thanks tho 
why not both ?
How exactly?
I would shoot for making an ultimate majin to get you through ud3 normal - hard spam izi. After that create a turtle, farm tokens > buy 200% exp > spam ud3 normal then hard with your ultimate majin and your other char in the party > izi fast level 60 and with turtle you farm very izi = many many zeni. Notice how many izis were in this comment, cuz its izi to type.
lmao sounds izi! Thanks man!
A speed party consists of a set of required classes (poko, karma, dende) since the first 2 give attack speed buddies which help greatly to reaching cap speed. The other 2 spots are generally given to a buffer and a turtle(DPS)/tank depending on what's needed.
But yeah crit is best for farming since speed allows 1v1 with mobs constantly
Edit: the 2 free spots can be given to any class with speedgear, its just that most people prefer to give it to those classesr.
Thanks man! I'll go crit then
Si da igual con subclase y sin subclase...
Entonces el libro de Reset queda ya inutil :p
Me parece que esta bien, tienes una posibilidad de salvar a un personaje si lo buildeaste mal
Farmea UDs y TMQs y te pueden salir objetos que si tienen buenos stats puedes vender en subasta.
O sino farmea y recoje los objetos y vendelos
cada semana, específicamente todos los jueves puedes resetear... da igual tu lvl, si eres adulto o no
Y la subclase? Si tengo o no tambien da igual?
Déjame explicarte un poco como funciona el crane. El personaje se basa en DOTs y en debuffs, es decir usa diferentes tipos de daño por segundo para lograr derribar al oponente junto con sus habilidades para debilitarlo. Los DOTs solo incrementan su daño al subir puntos en la habilidad del personaje o en las pasivas correspondientes que aumentan el tiempo y la eficacia. Pero, ¿critico fisico o magico? cuando tu lanzas una habilidad esta podrá hacer un daño base como es en el caso del Dodon Ray (un caso en el que no hace daño es el Dodon Barrage que solo te debilita y te aplica un sangrado) y es ahí donde se incrementa el daño de la habilidad, se suele usar critico enérgico cuando la build usa por ejemplo el Tri-Beam Cannon que si le llegas a aplicar un critico con eso esta básicamente muerto o también con el thousand slashes que por mas de que este nerfeada sigue haciendo su daño. Ahora, si tu build utiliza las habilidades de daño físico, osea las de la izquierda, puedes llevar daño critico físico.
Resumiendo todo esto, lo único que aumenta al usar critico es el daño base de la habilidad, luego el sangrado sera el mismo. Por lo que sugiero que lleves hit rate en las armas así no fallaras ninguna habilidad ! Pero como siempre me gusta decir, experimenta en el juego si aun no entiendes mucho, de los errores quizá te puedas convertir en un gran jugador !
Saludos.
O.o Pero enrealidad yo uso Turtle T_T le conteste a esta persona nada mas...
Podrias ayudarme asi con mi Turtle? Me vendria bien Porfa :s
Aun asi has ayudado a la persona de arriba. Pero yo tambien necesitaria ayuda asi T_T
Si quieres puedes leer mis otros posts, he estado haciendo preguntas y pidiendo ayuda. Y pienso basarme en la build de Roli. Asi te daras una idea a que voy u.u Si quieres mandame msj en el juego soy SlayerL
Hola Amigos! Anteriormente, una vez que hacias la quest de crecer ya no podias resetear los skills libremente y solo se podia mediante el libro, por lo que siempre antes de hacer esa quest reseteabamos los skills con el npc. Ahora que he vuelto a jugar, cuando he ido a resetear he visto que hay una opcion de reset semanal para todos los niveles. Eso aplica tambien si has crecido? Osea si ahora cresco y subo al nivel 35, luego podre resetearlo con el npc sin necesidad del libro? O el reset semanal se aplica solo si eres nino/sin subclase?
Espero que se me haya entendido.
Otra pregunta, anteriormente, supongamos que yo era nivel 35 y no habia crecido, podia seguir reseteando con el npc cierto? Osea, ya no puedes resetear con el npc a partir de que creces, no?
Eso era xD Gracias si me contestan
Guys! Sorry, I have another question. Which of both builds is best for farming? Speed Or Crit? And what are the differences between them?
I guess it is Crit right? So i can kill enemies by crit kames right?
porque sus ataques principales son de ataque fisico sera (?)
Pero el Crane no es de energia? Osea es Espiritista
Attack speed is used to increase the DPS of your auto attacks, which are only affected by your gloves, which is why you only need to upgrade gloves when using attack speed bonus.
Thanks! Now i understand why Do you know what he meant with "speed party"?
Hi Guys! I write because I am going for a Full PvE Turtle. I searched for a build here in the forum and I found Roli's which seems to be really good and balanced. People say it's OP.
But there are some things there that I don't understand, because I don't know much about builds and stats. So I sent a PM to Roli asking him if he could help me to understand some things but he never answered, actually he seems to be inactive in the forums lately. So maybe someone who knows about builds and turtles can help me to clear off my doubts so I can understand the build properly and follow it like it should be. I know maybe some questions are really dumb but it is sometimes confusing for me. Sorry if i bother anyone asking these things, I seems to be easy to understand but it is too complex for me. Thanks for reading
Display MoreHey Roli! It's been a while since i haven't played and know the Open Beta came out so I started to play again. I am going for a Full PvE Turtle (for farming) and i found your guide really useful, thanks for writing it!
I have a question though, because i don't know much about how stats and build work, so if you can make some things clear for me i'd be very thankful.
First of all... Speed means the speed of attacks right? I mean the more speed i have, the faster i will attack and be able to cast more skills in X amount of time, is that it?
Also, Here you talk about "speed party". What does that mean?
"NOTE : ONLY UPGRADE THE GLOVES, YOU USE THE WAND TO GET SPEED ONLY" This means that i should only upgrade the gloves because it is the gloves that will boost my attack right? And the wand is only to add speed, not to boost the attack, so it'd be useless to upgrade it? Or should I upgrade to a lower lvl?"Crit : Listed above" Uh, where exactly...?
Also, I see many people have many high lvl characters, with really expensive equipment... How do they do that? I mean, I usually only use one character and it's really hard for me to lvl it up to the max. Also, can you tell me of any methods to earn a lot of money using my turtle? ThanksThanks for reading man, sorry if I ask really dumb questions I don't know much about these things. So thanks man, please don't ignore me
This is the message I wrote him with my doubts, If anyone can answer any of my questions i'd be really grateful!
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PvE : This is the tricky part, but most of you already know the Speed party, if someone not, pm me and I'll gladly help.
Speed : 22-26% attack speed gloves, same for wand. NOTE : ONLY UPGRADE THE GLOVES, YOU USE THE WAND TO GET SPEED ONLY
Crit : Listed above, 30-33% crit for both gloves and wand.
And this is the part I was talking exactly about, it is the most confusing thing for me about the guide.
Thanks everyone!
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Lol! And just curious :p What do they spend the cash in? Expensive items and them sell them in AH? Like Dogis, Kid Clock, Stones lvl60 etc..?
Though, most of the players i've played with still are like I said, many lvl up chars and lots of Z, and they never bought cash, that's what i'd like to know how they do it.
Thanks for the info! I buy the gears, because i've never been into Crafting, I don't really know how it works. Got to check the forum guides. I've heard it's really useful. What's the difference/benefits of it?
actually i made 12kk from selling 4 dogi capsule that i got from soloing tmq 4 easy, so you can make zeni by doing UD for stone drop or you can do tmq for dogi capsule which you can sell for 3kk each. If you want to power lvl, good luck on trying to get a party to spam UD, the best UD i would suggest is UD3 because there is lot of super mobs that give exp and there is higher stone drops, and the best tmq i would suggest you to do for exp and dogi drop is tmq 4, but for both UD and tmq, you have to be in a party with the current lvl that your turtle is in right now. And do you craft your gears or do you buy your gears?
once you get to lvl cap which is 60, i would suggest to go and farm on papaya where there is a lot of mobs or you can farm at other large mobs area, try to pick up legendary drop with good stat to sell and u stones to sell, try and get your armour to at least +5-6 and your weapon to +7-8 so you can farm easier.
Also i could go UD and TMQs right? But drop is harder...
One way to lvl is to just quest but a quicker way to lvl is power lvling so you spam UD to get lots of exp and for your pve turtle, with your glove have Focus on it and for you wand, try and get % eng crit on it. for armour, you can go with % LP recover for top and pant or you can CON for top, FOCUS on pants and CON again on shoes.
Thanks man!! I am using Roli's turtle build PvE, for the equipment. Also do you know how or where can i farm to get the zeni to buy that equipment?
