items of classes.

Iceman · Mar 26th 2015

Quote from Chinwuke

First you say 2-3 min, then 4-5 min. Don't forget that. As far as "it won't be DBO we use to play" well that's the point. We don't want the negative things from the retail DBO. That's the point of threads like these. The team themselves say they are trying to get away from the bad things of retail DBO. You want OP speed, Auto-pot glitch, Dojo glitch, Pay to win, and unbalanced classes so we have the "DBO we use to play"?? Of course not.

Look you just can't take 1 thing from class, that won't make DBO balanced.
If you take something then give something in return.
If we nerf critic, class items and more then other classes will be too OP.

Check Dende, if no one can dmg him, he will just spam healing.
Now give more CD on dende and poko healings or you will see 99% chars that will be dence since all other classes will fail to beat him since he have almost 0 CD on healing skills and plus good dmg, auto attack dmg.

Still you are well aware that I just give suggestion about CD on those items, it isn't 100% for sure that it will same plus you talk there that is too low soo I edit and say 4-5 min.

Chinwuke · Mar 26th 2015

Quote from Iceman

Look you just can't take 1 thing from class, that won't make DBO balanced.
If you take something then give something in return.
If we nerf critic, class items and more then other classes will be too OP.

Check Dende, if no one can dmg him, he will just spam healing.
Now give more CD on dende and poko healings or you will see 99% chars that will be dence since all other classes will fail to beat him since he have almost 0 CD on healing skills and plus good dmg, auto attack dmg.

Still you are well aware that I just give suggestion about CD on those items, it isn't 100% for sure that it will same plus you talk there that is too low soo I edit and say 4-5 min.

Of course making one change wont balance the game. That's ridiculous. I'm not suggesting that. But you can't go in the opposite direction, you'd need to go towards balance not away from it. And who said anything about giving Dende's more cooldown?? That doesn't make any sense. And yes I know what you say are your suggestions. All of what we say are only suggestions. That's what the community 'should' do. That's the only way we can affect the game.

Kyra · Mar 26th 2015

the focus here are the items from their classes.
How the @ Madrid252 mentioned can be made modifications hentai book, In the case would have to be increased in time debuffs of turtle, that is to compensate and not unbalance the pvp and also be useful in pve'll take as an example the Kienzan.

Kienzan lasts about 3-6 seconds if I remember correctly, and using hentai book could increase the ability of time to 8.6 ~ 10 sec, and there without having RP 1000 and will still give it to compete in the 1 vs 1 against tank's class, and would be very useful in longer time for a dungeon where has strong mobs with about 90k LP, thus giving a break pro's tank at the time of action.

Ps: Dodge pot with 300% Dodge was very exaggerated and complain hentai book.

Takaroku · Mar 26th 2015

As I recall Fencing was a good MALE TURTLE, and did pretty well in tournament without the Hentai book.
The Hentai book is the only reason why most people make female turtles to abuse the brokenness like divine did. If you can completely still throughout the entire match without next to or any damage done to you. Yeah, that's completely fair. Pretty sure you can have a good fighting chance without the book. Sure it'll be harder, but it'll be better than going on easy mode. No one should have the ability to gain a full rp gauge whenever they want. Only option is long cooldown, less rp given, or just take it df out.

Dodge... is a joke it was all luck mostly.

Kyra · Mar 26th 2015

Quote from Takaroku

As I recall Fencing was a good MALE TURTLE, and did pretty well in tournament without the Hentai book.
The Hentai book is the only reason why most people make female turtles to abuse the brokenness like divine did. If you can completely still throughout the entire match without next to or any damage done to you. Yeah, that's completely fair. Pretty sure you can have a good fighting chance without the book. Sure it'll be harder, but it'll be better than going on easy mode. No one should have the ability to gain a full rp gauge whenever they want. Only option is long cooldown, less rp given, or just take it df out.

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Dodge... is a joke it was all luck mostly.

Has no cry to increase the duration of skills, the book hentai main purpose was that, as with the Kienzan with a few seconds was not possible to do the combo.
the book does not matter des that what I said is balanced, that was the weak point, so I had the hentai book to balance that, if the rise time in the book skills is no longer necessary.

Iceman · Mar 26th 2015

Quote from Chinwuke

Of course making one change wont balance the game. That's ridiculous. I'm not suggesting that. But you can't go in the opposite direction, you'd need to go towards balance not away from it. And who said anything about giving Dende's more cooldown?? That doesn't make any sense. And yes I know what you say are your suggestions. All of what we say are only suggestions. That's what the community 'should' do. That's the only way we can affect the game.

Well think about it, if we start to touch one thing to class, then we should do same.
If we reduce dmg on SK, fighter, turtle then we need to give bigger CD to dende and poko.
Why?
Well lets say base dmg you can do is 2k and dende heal every 2 sec with 7k plus his buff and auto pot and senzu.
Come on, there is no way to kill dende in budokai unless we touch and fix his spam healing skills.

This way you could dmg dende, he would heal a little harder but at least you could have chance to kill it.

Chinwuke · Mar 26th 2015

Quote from Iceman

Well think about it, if we start to touch one thing to class, then we should do same.
If we reduce dmg on SK, fighter, turtle then we need to give bigger CD to dende and poko.
Why?
Well lets say base dmg you can do is 2k and dende heal every 2 sec with 7k plus his buff and auto pot and senzu.
Come on, there is no way to kill dende in budokai unless we touch and fix his spam healing skills.

This way you could dmg dende, he would heal a little harder but at least you could have chance to kill it.

What are you talking about?? We're talking about the class items. Where did you get reduce damage on sk, fighter, turtle? And fyi, there are other ways to win ranked than kill someone.

Focus on your argument for class items and why you want to keep it the same/similar. We can talk about other ways to balance the game in another thread.

Spark · Mar 27th 2015

I think what Kyra is trying to say is that instead of nerfing the Turtle porn book you could nerf certain skills so that you can't spam the "DiviNe combo".

Bad idea imo because with full RP a turtle can still perma sleep and just dmg you at the end with that burn skill for an easy draw win.

Celestial Titania · Mar 27th 2015

Quote from Spark

I think what Kyra is trying to say is that instead of nerfing the Turtle porn book you could nerf certain skills so that you can't spam the "DiviNe combo".

Bad idea imo because with full RP a turtle can still perma sleep and just dmg you at the end with that burn skill for an easy draw win.

I agree with spark the divine combo was annoying as hell + food inside fight , you could beat divine if he didn't use food

Kyra · Mar 27th 2015

Quote from Spark

I think what Kyra is trying to say is that instead of nerfing the Turtle porn book you could nerf certain skills so that you can't spam the "DiviNe combo".

Bad idea imo because with full RP a turtle can still perma sleep and just dmg you at the end with that burn skill for an easy draw win.

Nearly so bro, in the most viable case in my opinion was to remove the two Budokai class of items or game whatever, of fighter and turtle, in the case of turtle, increase the time of some debuffs, as I took the example of Kienzan the top, leaving it as 8.6 ~~ 10 seconds, and so would not have that spaming rp balls, using felled endless, endless things to rp.

It was just one more example can be reformulated in a better way, so balanced and not doing u have to use a boot with 20 rp regeneration, to fill one RP ball to use Kienzan 1x, and no other class has a work she of this .

Takaroku · Mar 27th 2015

Now I understand what you were trying to say, that sounds much better.

Triston · Jul 22nd 2015

I think we'll just have to wait and see whether or not the the hentai book will be changed so that is less OP or not.

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