Balance Suggestion Thread

I see you people really act like you know nothing about classes.
Each class have its own role in PVE.

DW - Dealing with a lot of mobs.
That is why he have high pdef, LP as main passive and AOE healing that affects everyone.
Still it is the best tanker out there and you can be main tanker on bosses and deal fine dmg and be great support.

SK - Dealing with Bosses
Each of skill is single target, most of them.
It does have Mdef and EP as main passive and DOT's.
SK does have AOE skills yes, but he needs help from healers to even use them since they drain LP + dmg from mobs.
About tanking, it can tank, not good as DW and if you compare def stats from DW and SK, you will see big dif.

Turtle - Dealing with a lot of mobs
It does have big Kames and stuns and it can be help in PVE but as you know, their def sux but epic fire power.

Crane - Dealing with bosses
It sets a lot of OP dots on bosses, it mostly does not generate aggro on bosses, not big enough.
It does have epic debuffs, %LP reduce that is sooo goooood and epic success rate...

Dende - OP healer

Poko - semi healer and only used because of speed, mostly but still dende is way better in healing and support

Ultimate Majin - Majin type of SK.
It is weaker a bit yes but with buffs, really needed and with right gear, it can tank bosses with good help of healers.

Grand Chef Majin - Majin type of DW
Main goal, is to give good buffs and deal with large group of mobs.
One more, eating EP in PVE will prevent using skills and turn them in balls will make them harmless-

Karma Majin - Speed dps support with good stalling skills

Plasma Majin - Turtle on steroids.
Epic dmg, epic AOE skills and KD at will is great for large group of mob's.
If you have plasma in party, you will have all time in world to deal with mobs.

Swordsman - Boss slayer type
Scintillation - will negate most of boss skills (Mostly if you use guard with this you won't take debuff or damage most of time)
Did I said you can stack it, how much you want? lol
Prop debuff - soo usefull vs bosses
Epic power and with MA skills, you can act as plasma and KD mobs around and blast them with burning attack

Fighter - Mobs slayer
With good CD gear and thunder you can abuse it and kill soo much mobs and with dodge you will dodge most of time.
Still, even when damn thunder on CD for some time, you still have one shot skills vs most of mobs lol.
With RP charge buff, you will charge RP balls faster yea but not like SM but still you will be able to control a lot of mobs thx to KD's and with final flash/big bang you will be able to blast them out.

PS: If you want to improve their roles sure but I do agree that nerf or changes for PVP will affect classes roles in PVE.
Soo watch what you asking for it and please do not ruin game.

Quote from xlr678

martial artists get no love

Well MA, they are overused soo they don't need any info about it... lol
But sure here it goes.

Swordsman - Boss slayer type
Scintillation - will negate most of boss skills (Mostly if you use guard with this you won't take debuff or damage most of time)
Did I said you can stack it, how much you want? lol
Prop debuff - soo usefull vs bosses
Epic power and with MA skills, you can act as plasma and KD mobs around and blast them with burning attack

Fighter - Mobs slayer
With good CD gear and thunder you can abuse it and kill soo much mobs and with dodge you will dodge most of time.
Still, even when damn thunder on CD for some time, you still have one shot skills vs most of mobs lol.
With RP charge buff, you will charge RP balls faster yea but not like SM but still you will be able to control a lot of mobs thx to KD's and with final flash/big bang you will be able to blast them out.

Quote from BlazingBarrager

Why is it that I love your posts so much when you post here? *ahem* Anyway, this is definitely a good explanation. How can we balance all of these (if they need it anyway) so that it won't effect their PVP potential (for those that have it)?

WOW thx mate, it means a lot when it comes from my Supa Turtle! xD

Some mini changes here and there that won't change classes too much is ok.
Still we need to know few things:

1. PVP Kid Budokai
2. PVP Adult Budokai
3. PVP Group Budokai

Those are main PVP events to test out our "power".
We shouldn't touch skills that are needed in each of those PVP events such as, change some Kid skills and make that class useless in kid budokai lol.

One more, even if we do not change it, some classes will be kings in those events.

PVP Kid Budokai - Dragon Clan
PVP Group Kid Budokai - All Classes
PVP Adult Budokai - All classes beside DW/Chef Majin
PVP Adult Group Budokai - All classes Beside DW

Soo we need to focus on DW and Chef now to make them good use in Adult and Adult Group.
Next, fix turtle book as I posted above with some changes you people agree, ok.

Fix critic system, one shot is lame, maybe bring back scouter anti critic chips (yes only anti critic) and Con chips.
Ofc everyone else can use 6 anti critic chips while SK can use only 3.

This way with right gear, everyone could tank some critics and there won't be much one shots.
Since critic system would be more or less fixed, then we could work on dmg balance etc etc.

Still there will always be some classes good in 1 vs 1 and some good in 5 vs 5.
Just pick class that fits your style.

One more, how to fix OP Karma in PVP?
KD at will, skill lock, confuse.....

Anti critic and critic rates fix.
No one said that anti critic chips would work as they use to.

Let see...
1 anti critic chip would give 5% anti critic.

With 6 of them, classes that ain't SK would get 30% anti critic, while SK would get only 15%.

There is 5% anti critic title, 5% anti critic from Budokai gloves and 28%-30% anti critic from jacket.

Soo if we put it like that, 60%-70% anti critic for non SK classes and 90% anti critic for SK class.

Critic rates were mostly around 51 - 60, soo if it is 51 each 2nd hit would be critical one and with 50% anti critic each 2nd critical hit would be disabled, it would deal normal base dmg.

About Bold Strike you all cry about, wear high Mdef gear and full anti bleed and you shouldn't take high dmg but problem is, you people just refuse to do that and bold strike is SK main big ass skill in PVE and without it, SK won't be able to beat Poko, Dende, Ultimate...

Take out this big gun from SK and everyone else would play as ultimate since %LP and really nice tankish feeling.
I really see that only human char users complain about SK.

Quote from BlazingBarrager

Well could it be possible to at least raise Bold Strike's CD a bit? Having a 10 sec CD is a little much.

Well if we raise CD a bit, SK won't be able to deal enough dmg against dende, poko and Ultimate.
Now with full anti bleed, bleed isn't problem.

We have better things to think about, that is Karma, DW and Chef and add hypnosis, skill lock accessory/neck(there is for fear, bleed, poison, why not this too?)

Skill lock on Karma, that is duration should be reduced to be it like stun (5-7 sec).
And with new accessory/neck there, it should be ok.
Playful Doll duration decrease to 7-10 sec with skill cooldown decreased a bit too, 50-60 sec.

Buff dmg on main skills and EP of DW, improve Chef skills such as Spirit Drain (Skill edited - Disable using skills based on EP for 5 sec and absorb effect) and remove %EP decrease effect and with that down, CD can be reduced to 40 sec.

One more, no changes on turtle that is on their consecutive discs since this skill is like Karma skill lock and it should have same duration and it should be put in "Skill lock", soo accessory would work on decrease its duration or resist it.

Quote from Kyra

5% anti critical title from boss event15% anti critical on max green aura from CCBD
39% on legendary jacket lv 70
or 32% on rare jacket lv 70
10% on budokai gloves.

How to cite any class can have 64% of anti critic and sk 89%, it is quite simple, if you have high anti critical, people have to search for maximum status and get the right way ...

Soo you tell me that end game should be more luck based one shot game?
Then give all anti critic and con chips and for classes that aren't SK and give SK only Con ones.
Humans would gain more Con for PVE and PVP or anti critic with chip switching, while SK would only gain con aka a bit LP increase.

With low critic rate that SK have, bold strike wouldn't critic most of time and it would deal less dmg aka less bleed.

I think that this is more than fair, other classes wouldn't need to change gear at all, and would gain anti critic.

Quote from Pito

Theres a reason there's no anti sleep, with anti sleep cranes and turtles will just fail they are a skill lock based class this just sounds like you're making a SK and want your threats to be nerfed.

I talk about accessory that reduce duration of hypnosis and skill lock of karma or just reduce it duration in their skills.
I was just giving options since 23 sec is a lot plus with duration increase it is 30 sec...

Soo reduce it to 15 sec or give out accessory and neck that reduce its time, same for karma skill lock.
It should act like stun.

Quote from BlazingBarrager

Okay so Bold Strike is more or less fine. What about the other stuff like Fear and Life Steal? Actually, is there anything a SK needs buffed/nerfed to make it less broken or something?

Fear as bleed, can be reduced with accessory, steal life is good as it is, only healing skill that SK have.
Still if I remember, it was based on pdef as curse, it shouldn't be.

It shouldn't be based on defence at all, just stabile DOT and HOT, 330LP each 2 sec, it is fine.