I totally agree with the +15 system Lostcoco recomended. There should be a certent amount of stones u need to waste to get +15.
How DBOG can become a better game
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In my opinion, upgrading should take a certain amount of advanced stones for each upgrade.
For example
+6-7 = 3 purple stones
+7-8 = 5 purple stones
+8-9 = 8 purple stones
+9-10 = 10 purple stones
+10-11 = 12 purple stones
+11-12= 15 purple stones
+12-13 = 18 purple stones
+13-14 = 21 purple stones
+14-15 = 24 purple stones
(116 stones in total to reach +15)
If purples cost around 3.5kk each, it should take around 400kk to get +15 on a weapon.
On average, you farm about 10kk per hour(including stones and trash), so it would take around 40 days of grinding 1 hour a day to guarantee your weapon to be +15.
In comparison to grinding, if you are a casher, it would cost around $200 to reach +15 on a weapon(Lvl up 30s can sell for about 10-15kk, so every $100 spent, you get around 200kk-250kk)
This would make players have a set goal and get them motivated to play the game and grind for their gear.
Making the end game goal reachable to all players and not behind straight RNG, would make less people quit. A lot of players decide to quit after spending all their zeni on upgrading and then getting nothing out of it. No other game has a system like this and all games that did have a system like this, have failed and died, like DBOG will soon enough if the game continues how it is currently.
The argument of "oh tw and kr was harder, stop complaining" is the dumbest shit i've ever read honestly, where are the TW and KR servers? please tell me.
You can clearly see the playercount getting less and less every week just by checking the channels on the weekend. Yesterday there was less than 2000 people playing on a saturday evening... which is the day most people are off school, work ect...
Do you mean by that we take out the luck depending upgrading system and change it with that one? What is pros and cons for this change?
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here is no mmorpg that offer you 100% successful upgrade, let's think about top mmorpg today which is black desert you can grind for months and when you upgrade accessory you can succes or fail when you fail your item and all the money is gone, so upgrade system in dbo is pretty easy compared to black desert, players already can go easy +11/12 is enough, before in Tw/hk when you had gear +8/+10 you was happy and gameplay was harder, today the standard is +11/+12 and gameplay is already easier, cc/grind etc... Daneos won't change it for sure he already make upgrade system easier 100% successful upgrade to +15 will ruin this game no one will upgrade item and wasting money before the final cap, until lvl 70 game economy will dying because everyone will collect money for get stones at final cap, that's mean all lvl caps before
the final will be useless.
I agree
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Do you mean by that we take out the luck depending upgrading system and change it with that one? What is pros and cons for this change?
His point is that he wants Daneos to give us the opportunity to guarantee at least +1 success at the cost of many advanced stones. Naturally the upgrade system's always going to be luck reliant that isn't going to change. Because players who've saved up 400kk zeni to buy 116 advanced stones deserve plus 15, with the current upgrade system you can spend over 200kk and end up with plus 7. It destroys a player's motivation if they've spent hours and hours farming everyday just to end up with nothing to show for their work. But Daneos also can't make the upgrade system easier otherwise everyone will end up with +15. That's why LostCoco's idea of making it possible is probably the most efficient way to handle the issue. Daneos won't replace the entire system, he's simply adding a feature that most RPGs implemented in their upgrade system. You can't really argue it makes the upgrade system easier, because how many people do you know are capable of saving/willing to farm 116 advanced stones for JUST 1 +15 item.
The pros are the following vvv
- Motivates more players to farm= increases game's life span
- Make's it possible for those who've invested a decent amount of time to get +15
- Increases the demand on stones = Helps the economy
As for the con's, I'll leave that up to whoever disagrees with this concept to come up with. If you're gonna disagree at least provide an arguable thesis.
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here is no mmorpg that offer you 100% successful upgrade, let's think about top mmorpg today which is black desert you can grind for months and when you upgrade accessory you can succes or fail when you fail your item and all the money is gone, so upgrade system in dbo is pretty easy compared to black desert, players already can go easy +11/12 is enough, before in Tw/hk when you had gear +8/+10 you was happy and gameplay was harder, today the standard is +11/+12 and gameplay is already easier, cc/grind etc... Daneos won't change it for sure he already make upgrade system easier 100% successful upgrade to +15 will ruin this game no one will upgrade item and wasting money before the final cap, until lvl 70 game economy will dying because everyone will collect money for get stones at final cap, that's mean all lvl caps before
the final will be useless.
"Here is no mmorpg that offers you 100% successful upgrade" They don't offer 100% upgrade because no other mmorpg has a terrible system like dbog does and all gear is earned through doing dungeons/raids or pvp. (except korean grindfest mmos which are largely p2w)
Black desert online have "Ultimate Weapon Reform Stones" which gives 100% success. Although i've never played black desert online end game as the game is just an endless grind. Below are the upgrade chances in BDO.
Guaranteeing +15 won't kill this game as it would take ages to achieve. The current upgrade system will kill this game (and currently is doing so right now) because it doesn't reward anyone as it's just luck.
For example, with the guaranteed upgrade system, let's say your weapon is +9. You set a goal of making is to +10 today which would require 10 purples. On average, you get around 10kk per hour, 10 purples will cost around 35kk so you'd be grinding for about 3-4 hours in a day to achieve your goal of +10.
That system rewards the player and gives them satisfaction as they've earned the upgrade themselves.
Todays upgrade system would go like this
So your weapon is +9, you want to grind for about 3 hours today, and at the end of the 4 hours, you end up with enough items and zeni in order to get 10 purples. Great! now let's try and upgrade the weapon and see what we get... fail, fail, fail, fail, broken, success (+2, you're now back at +9), fail, fail, fail, broken (you're back down to+7)
So you grinded your ass off for 3 hours in a day, and ended up worse than before.
This has happened to me and many other players. I grinded 250kk in 2 weeks and the highest upgrade on my weapon was +11 but i ended up on +7.
This system does not reward the player.
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here is no mmorpg that offer you 100% successful upgrade, let's think about top mmorpg today which is black desert you can grind for months and when you upgrade accessory you can succes or fail when you fail your item and all the money is gone, so upgrade system in dbo is pretty easy compared to black desert, players already can go easy +11/12 is enough, before in Tw/hk when you had gear +8/+10 you was happy and gameplay was harder, today the standard is +11/+12 and gameplay is already easier, cc/grind etc... Daneos won't change it for sure he already make upgrade system easier 100% successful upgrade to +15 will ruin this game no one will upgrade item and wasting money before the final cap, until lvl 70 game economy will dying because everyone will collect money for get stones at final cap, that's mean all lvl caps before
the final will be useless.
But Blade and Soul offers you a 100% success rate, the hard part is farming materials.
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So your weapon is +9, you want to grind for about 3 hours today, and at the end of the 4 hours, you end up with enough items and zeni in order to get 10 purples. Great! now let's try and upgrade the weapon and see what we get... fail, fail, fail, fail, broken, success (+2, you're now back at +9), fail, fail, fail, broken (you're back down to+7)
So you grinded your ass off for 3 hours in a day, and ended up worse than before.
This has happened to me and many other players. I grinded 250kk in 2 weeks and the highest upgrade on my weapon was +11 but i ended up on +7.
This system does not reward the player.
my suggestion is that it only degrade from +10
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Still doesn't change the fact that BNS has a 100% success rate upgrade system ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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i really really hate the luck based system i'l be soo happy if at least one thing will be certain.
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i really really hate the luck based system i'l be soo happy if at least one thing will be certain.
Like from +1 to +8 100%?
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Like from +1 to +8 100%?
i'm not talking about upgreading items i'm talking about pvp.
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btw i made a little test and made a martial artist level 14 300 hit rate against my level 60 fighter 2k dodge he was able to land some hits also stun me....
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btw i made a little test and made a martial artist level 14 300 hit rate against my level 60 fighter 2k dodge he was able to land some hits also stun me....
Every skills based on a debuff (for examble stun, hellzone granade, paralyze, steal life, etc) can hit u ignoring ur dodge rate, normally that skills can hit or not depending on ur resist (dex gives resist for example) and their chasnce to hit can be increased with sucess rate (wich is also gave by focus or by sucess rate necklace). And that's not something new to dbo.
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Every skills based on a debuff (for examble stun, hellzone granade, paralyze, steal life, etc) can hit u ignoring ur dodge rate, normally that skills can hit or not depending on ur resist (dex gives resist for example) and their chasnce to hit can be increased with sucess rate (wich is also gave by focus or by sucess rate necklace). And that's not something new to dbo.
I have 203 dex with popo resist nacklace and a dex buff that increase my dex to 234. I don't see how a sk level 60 with hit rate axe can't hit me but a level 14 material artist can... seems ilogical
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I have 203 dex with popo resist nacklace and a dex buff that increase my dex to 234. I don't see how a sk level 60 with hit rate axe can't hit me but a level 14 material artist can... seems ilogical
This still a pure RNG so what did u expect?
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This still a pure RNG so what did u expect?
Just saying engine based on pure luck is sucks and sharping my point. At least give something that is certain cause i am extreamly unlucky
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Just saying engine based on pure luck is sucks and sharping my point. At least give something that is certain cause i am extreamly unlucky
at some points in the game success rate is really f-ck up, if that happend you can miss every single attack at a boss or a low lvl char in pvp can hit you even if he should not
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I just want to adress staff there is current problem i dont know if you know but some people are experiencing problem with launcher where it saying that there is an unhandled exception and gives you the options to continue or quit. However when you press continue the lancher freezes and when you try to press play it says launcher needs to finish patching and it stays like this. I have been having this problem since yesterday please fix it because quiet a few people can not enter the game
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