Balance Suggestion Thread

Quote from BlazingBarrager

The thing with Final Flash is that if you're charging for 3 seconds as opposed to Big Bang's 2 seconds, wouldn't it make more sense for Final Flash to be stronger? Hell even the description of the skill says its Vegeta's "strongest move." We aren't Vegeta of course, but Final Flash has shown to be more destructive than BBA. Xenoverse and J-Stars Victory Vs supports this by having BBA as a Super/Normal skill and Final Flash as an Ultimate/Burst Attack.

I think this final flash not the best final flash only 1 weaker skill suchs as namek warrior masenko, special beam cannon. Also martial have more kamehame with about 1000 dammage, then kame then why weak this? Because this not Super or Giant kame only Concentrated kame. This big bang now stronger than this Final Flash because this not Cell has final flash only one Tank skill suchs as masenko, special beam cannon. it can be second KD skill and Life Points. Now big bang strongest because this is C-19 has big bang.
As a result of this, we will receive more stronger big bang and final flash skills suchs as more kame received turtle also, and then will be more powerfull skill the final flash. Not this skill rathet similar\equal namek masenko, special beam cannon.
I be happy then fighter receive more stronger moves but this final not that skill.
And now if it would be strengthened skill all of them, then we could not receive more better animation final flash or energy attack every time?
i do not mind what what they bring out this skill but this skill not have best final flash animation, i think more like tank KD skill.

Quote from BlazingBarrager

Since we already have one for Cash Shop and Server Names, decided to make a Thread on Balancing that could be done for each of the classes so it isn't "Fighter and Shadow Knight DBO." Me and Fingolfin have made a list containing suggestions by users here. Please note that this list will be updated frequently when better balancing explanations for a class is posted here in this thread. You're free to talk and give your opinions about balancing here, but please be friendly to one another. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and shouldn't be treated down as much.

Fighter

• Make Final Flash stronger than Big Bang Attack and Switch places in skill tree, and Final Flash power calculated by subweapon. -> @BlazingBarragerSeems logical that Final Flash must be stronger than Big Bang Attack.
• Evade up (passive): 734 dodge to remove the dodge pot (/ Blitz Fist: Duration 62 seconds/ Ki Burst: Reduce EP consumption 41%, increase Speed Attack by 10% -> @mrhunt11That is a huge boost for fighters.

Swordsman

• Raising the SP for Prepared to Roar and Fortitude to 7 and 5 respectively (matching Spirited Roar and Might in boost). Reason why I say this is because Swordsman can also be playable as an energy class since their energy skills deal almost the same base damage as the physical skills not to mention Burning Attack is a great PvE skill (though I'd probably drop its AoE from 20m to 15m since misuse can easily get you killed from mob swarms). -> @BlazingBarrager Sounds nice in theory, and gives some more variety to SM builds.
• Change the placement of Focused Kamehameha and Burning Attack saving up 2 sp this way. -> @mrhunt11 The order is nice as it is atm
• Focused Kamehameha, Max lvl:
  Energy:550 (Damage Increased when critical hit is succesfull)
  Energy:258% (Damage Increased when critical hit is succesfull) -> @mrhunt11 Disagree, for critical skills you already have Burning Attack and Focused Gravity Break
• Evade up (passive): Dodge 734 -> @mrhunt11SMs don't rely on dodging, the value they have atm is ok

Turtle Hermit

• Cap the Weaken Defense duration. 20 minutes is a lot. -> @BlazingBarragerAlthough it is very useful in PvE, it can be perfectly reduced as its CD is not high and can be spammed with no problems.
• Remove Turtle Book -> BlazingBarragerOr at least change its benefits, maybe less rp or replace it for RP Regeneration.
• Have Super/Giant Kamehameha go in a straight line like Super did in 55 cap. They would, however, keep the width from the AoE versions (10m for Super and 15m for Giant). This could allow players to get out of its range before it's fired while allowing the skills to hit more targets. -> @BlazingBarrager This makes sense but I don't think it is something necessary.
• Prehistoric Turtle Mastery: Increase E. Crit Hit Rate by 18 (passive) / Remove the defense debuff on the Physical and Spiritual Defense Boost. ->mrhunt11 I agree to increase the Crit Rate since FOC does not give crit rate anymore, but totally disagree to remove the defense debuff.

Crane Hermit

• Give variety to their DoTs as they are cancelled out by antibleed, and moreover give some usefullness to these 4 skills. -> @Fingolfin
• DoT change suggested: Mystical Crane Typhoon: Bleed (or abdominal)/Poison (divide the max value by 2 and apply the result to both DoTs), Dodon Ray: Abdominal, Dodon Barrage: Bleed, Master Fan Out: Poison. In case Master Fan Out wouldn't get DoTs, make Mystical Crane Typhoon just Poison DoT. -> @BlazingBarrager / @Fingolfin
• Resist it: Increase Status Resistance Rate by 284 / Secret Crane Success: Increase Success Rate by 252 (passive)

Shadow Knight

• Bold Strike: change it from % bleed to fixed bleed damage -> @BlazingBarrager IDK if that is the solution, but Bold Strike needs a rework.

Dark Warrior

• Demon Wave: Energy Damage 172% / 140% Burn damage every 2 secs / duration 10 secs. Now Dark Warrior has a "AOE Bold Strike", that will make it useful and it becomes a true tank worthy to taking it to pvp-> @mrhunt11
• Talon Defense: Increase Physical Defense by 1370 /Increase Energy Defense by 1370 -> @mrhunt11 Defense is not the problem of DWs, so there is no need to make them more defensive.
• Disastrous Blow needs its CD reduced to a more manageable amount like 40 seconds or so and its Attack Speed Reduction boosted by 2% to match Shadow Knight's "Threatening Roar." -> @BlazingBarrager

Dende Priest

Poko Priest

Ultimate Majin

• Status Resistance: Increase Status Resistance Rate by 604% -> @mrhunt11Ultimates have enough resistance, there is no need to give them more.

Grand Chef Majin

• Ball Transformation: Remove the immobilize debuff when the skill ends, increase the possibility to KD opponents to 15% -> @mrhunt11
• Status Resistance: Increase Status Resistance Rate by 604%-> @mrhunt11

Plasma Majin

• Critical Spiritual Damage: Increase Energy Critical Hit Rate by 23 -> @mrhunt11

Karma Majin

• Critical Spiritual Damage: Increase Energy Critical Hit Rate by 23 -> @mrhunt11

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In bold I say my opinion to most suggestions. In addition, I have to say that idk why people is disliking the OP post, he is just making a compilation of the suggestions that the users are giving, he is not saying that all that must be done. If you dislike one or some suggestions, just tell why in the comments, that is the purpose of the post.

It is strange that there is no SK suggestion when there were tons of them in DBO

Some things i would change:

• Steal Life: CD=Duration is too OP for a skill that can steal near 6k lp if not prolonged.
• Hellzone Grenade: this skill avoids Dodge and is based on Resistance because the game considers it a debuff. It should be fixed.

Quote from Iceman

The best it would be to delete SK class at all.Come think for second what you are asking...

Only way to beat fighter for SK is thx to those 2 skills plus curse...
Maybe for you it is OP if you had armor +8, but use e.def armor +12 and those things wouldn't hurt you much.

Plus fighters have auto pots, senzu and they have all time of world to critic or take SK with thunder...

Afaik now DEX does not have Crit so taking account of that and the high anticrit of a SK...

i think we should wait with all these changes no need to rush this we havent even tested the DEX and FOC nerf we need to see how it will work and i dont think trying to change these things when they are not even working at the moment is a wise thing. we dont even have budokai ,defense stats and crit are broke and master class is soon but yet to come

Repeated post bcause of shitty mobile internet xd

Personally I don't want any changes.
One might tend to suggest too much just for the sake of suggesting.
The end game was challenging enough for one to have to be prepared for it.
Turtles huge AOE Kame was no grant to win turnaments.
Every class had its few things where you thought that it is unfair.
So either go with it or take those away, I rather have them all tho.
Imo with SK beeing a bit advantaged it was all in all okay balanced.
The swordsmans spirit attacks are beautifull but if you want a swordsmans full potential you go phy attacks, otherwise make a spiri thats why there is this class.
I had a swordsman and it was a spirit build cause I loved the attacks, but going energy at a phy class I was okay with not having the same output.
Remove turtle book then also remove fighters pot and the other one, too much imo.

About the attack speed nerf, idk we tried it old school too but grinded with attack speed. Without speed it is harder but doing the same dungeon over and over again I rather do it with attack speed. Maintaining a little bit of motivation cause it is a bit faster.

Just my two cents, you can discouss ofc, I just hope it won't be overdone and taken up by daneos.

Quote from oEffy

Personally I don't want any changes.
One might tend to suggest too much just for the sake of suggesting.
The end game was challenging enough for one to have to be prepared for it.
Turtles huge AOE Kame was no grant to win turnaments.
Every class had its few things where you thought that it is unfair.
So either go with it or take those away, I rather have them all tho.
Imo with SK beeing a bit advantaged it was all in all okay balanced.
The swordsmans spirit attacks are beautifull but if you want a swordsmans full potential you go phy attacks, otherwise make a spiri thats why there is this class.
I had a swordsman and it was a spirit build cause I loved the attacks, but going energy at a phy class I was okay with not having the same output.
Remove turtle book then also remove fighters pot and the other one, too much imo.

About the attack speed nerf, idk we tried it old school too but grinded with attack speed. Without speed it is harder but doing the same dungeon over and over again I rather do it with attack speed. Maintaining a little bit of motivation cause it is a bit faster.

Just my two cents, you can discouss ofc, I just hope it won't be overdone and taken up by daneos.

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amen to that , tho changing SK just a bit and making the spirited roar not be a debuff to yourself cause it makes no sense that other classes have really good buff but the best buff for humans physical is also a negative thing would make it for fun over all .

Why you guys trying to change the whole game, ffs. Leave attack speed where it was at.

Quote from Neisan

Why you guys trying to change the whole game, ffs. Leave attack speed where it was at.

yeah its like one of the best thing in this game cause you look so cool when you have max speed feels like you are actually like goku and it was strong as hell

Quote from xlr678

yeah its like one of the best thing in this game cause you look so cool when you have max speed feels like you are actually like goku and it was strong as hell

Can't lie as stupid as thunder is, it's so fun and satisfying to watch someone pummel a boss DBZ style

Quote from HeavenlyOcelot

Can't lie as stupid as thunder is, it's so fun and satisfying to watch someone pummel a boss DBZ style

the game purpose and main reason people want to play it is because it is db base like the one thing that is actually good and make you feel like a db character and you(not you personaly) want to ruin it....

Yes, do not change anything. It is perfect to have half of the classes underused because the other half surpass them. Why having a DW when a SK can do his job better? Why having a Chef when Ults can do his job and better? Why having a Crane when Turtles are better in both PvP and PvE? Etc.

I think some of you do not want to balance because it affects your favourite class. Probable I'm wrong but that is the impresión I get.

A good mmo needs balance between their classes, and also variety in the builds of those clases. In DBO the builds are almost the same with a slight difference in few sp, thus making classes very predictable. It'd be nice imo to have for example 2/3 kind of sm, one physical, other magical or hybrid; the same for the rest in those which are posible. That would make budokais much more interesting, not "I have to face a X class, then I will have to wear X gear".

Just a humble opinion.

Quote from Fingolfin

Yes, do not change anything. It is perfect to have half of the classes underused because the other half surpass them. Why having a DW when a SK can do his job better? Why having a Chef when Ults can do his job and better? Why having a Crane when Turtles are better in both PvP and PvE? Etc.

I think some of you do not want to balance because it affects your favourite class. Probable I'm wrong but that is the impresión I get.

A good mmo needs balance between their classes, and also variety in the builds of those clases. In DBO the builds are almost the same with a slight difference in few sp, thus making classes very predictable. It'd be nice imo to have for example 2/3 kind of sm, one physical, other magical or hybrid; the same for the rest in those which are posible. That would make budokais much more interesting, not "I have to face a X class, then I will have to wear X gear".

Just a humble opinion.

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why not buff the underused classes since PVP is not the only thing that there is in game there is also PVE and nerfing classes will just ruin this balance.

and just to be clear there are alwase FAVORIT and BETTER no MMO is truly balanced in both usefulness and coolness between all classes.