Come on now, Dodge pot is basically useless, 30 seconds duration for 20-25 minutes cooldown.
Turtle Book however, needs to have a cooldown aswell of about 1-2 minutes, and maybe its RP increase bonus reduces to 4-5. And have the same effect for Males.
Come on now, Dodge pot is basically useless, 30 seconds duration for 20-25 minutes cooldown.
Turtle Book however, needs to have a cooldown aswell of about 1-2 minutes, and maybe its RP increase bonus reduces to 4-5. And have the same effect for Males.
Still think they should be removed.
Turtle Hermit aren't very strong without these, and even with book look at turtle now ? they are useless, book helps them for 1vs1
I also believe that Fighter Pots and Turtle Books should be removed entirely. It isn't right for two classes out of 12 get their own, special item.
Hah, what a killjoy.
For PvP and the CC dungeon, I agree they should definitely and absolutely not be allowed. That said, there's no harm in letting players have a little fun with something overpowered in the normal world. You're playing games for fun, after all, and it's not harming anyone. Dodge pots only last 30 seconds and then cooldown for 20 minutes, so it's not like it turns PvE into cheese. Besides, the Turtle Book outside of PvP is just a convenience at best.
Hah, what a killjoy.
For PvP and the CC dungeon, I agree they should definitely and absolutely not be allowed. That said, there's no harm in letting players have a little fun with something overpowered in the normal world. You're playing games for fun, after all, and it's not harming anyone. Dodge pots only last 30 seconds and then cooldown for 20 minutes, so it's not like it turns PvE into cheese. Besides, the Turtle Book outside of PvP is just a convenience at best.
I disagree. The cooldown on Bitter Tea is a problem in itself for CCBD, as well as the 5-10 second stun that occurs afterward. As for the book, the fact that it drains LP/EP depending on Gender is a reason NOT to use it in CCBD. It's also the reason no one uses Super Saiyan, Kaioken, or Pure Majin within CCBD. Because the constant drain will screw you over, especially during the cutscenes that play after each floor where you have no player input.
MAYBE for female Turtle Hermits the book can be, if used properly, useful, but that also means you need a stack of at least 200 to prevent the constant EP drain once the RP Ball charges run out.
However, I will agree that either the Turtle Book needs a cooldown period, or Bitter Tea needs it's cooldown removed. The ONLY build that would make sense for Bitter Tea anyway would be one using Thunder combined with Gloves of Attack Speed and whatever other Attack Speed buffs are available. Hits quick and evades quick at the cost of losing skills AND a 5-10 second stun. It's really quite an All-or-Nothing build that's only useful in 1v1.
But I do agree that they should at least not be allowed in Budokai.
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------Class Name: Human Race/Majin Race
----Skill or Passive name: Super Saiyan/Pure Majin
--Current skill effect: Increases EP by 200%
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: The EP drain. My Kami the EP drain. This has been one of the biggest complaints about these transformations thus far, and who can blame them? Fighters and Swordsman can barely maintain them for long while the rest of the classes, while better at maintaining it, can't utilize it fully without needing to heal every so often. Kaio-Ken gets off lucky with this problem thanks to it having SP, but only by a small margin. The point is, the drain for these transformations needs to be reduced. This change wouldn't be problematic in PvP since transformations aren't used, but it will do wonders for PvE stuff such as CCBD, UD, and even farming.
While I can agree with the EP Drain being problematic in CCBD, everywhere else it's not a problem. The drain is easily fed by doing nothing outside of combat. And the forms revert when EP drops below 10%. So in actuality, you're gaining an 80% extra EP pool for casting skills on top of the minor buffs to stats (or in the Pure Majin case on top of powerful AoE attacks). Not only that, but SS/PM can also last extremely long due to this. I've actually had SS recharge fully before my first use ever ran out. On numerous occasions. Sadly, the same cannot be said about Great Namekian, which doesn't have a drain, but rather only lasts for 10 minutes. And trust me, I'd rather not have a 10 minute timer added to SS.
Display MoreSpeaking of Super Saiyan and Pure Majin (and I lied about my last post XD)...
------Class Name: Human Race/Majin Race
----Skill or Passive name: Super Saiyan/Pure Majin
--Current skill effect: Increases EP by 200%
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: The EP drain. My Kami the EP drain. This has been one of the biggest complaints about these transformations thus far, and who can blame them? Fighters and Swordsman can barely maintain them for long while the rest of the classes, while better at maintaining it, can't utilize it fully without needing to heal every so often. Kaio-Ken gets off lucky with this problem thanks to it having SP, but only by a small margin. The point is, the drain for these transformations needs to be reduced. This change wouldn't be problematic in PvP since transformations aren't used, but it will do wonders for PvE stuff such as CCBD, UD, and even farming.
SSJ does not drain that much and it is really good at this level. If you want to mantain SSJ, go get 21% ep recovery buff from majins. It is the best option and so far I've never ran out of SSJ because of EP with it.
I have only 2 opinions the close rage heroes and 2 suggestions about the balance.
Opinions:
Then close range heroes start at second line, equal then the second line heroes(healer, turtle, long range tanks etc) then close range heroes need go inside first line(get closer). And untill second line heroes have heals-(close heal with long att.), tank skills(position change skills) then the first line heroes needs stuns and gap closer skills also.
And long range heroes if have debuffs(with stun or not) than close range heroes have get\gap closer sklills(with stun or not).
And i think if 1 hero have more 32targets skills, then he will be good at 32v32 situation not the 1 targets situations 1v1(but they have also 1targets debuffs).
Suggestions:
-all skills\debuffs cost with skill ponits would be equal than the skill\debuffs make, included "min" and "max" range.
-the skills\debuffs with 3-4 skill points not add from 0m to 35m effects and low cast time.
That is,
-If problem the "max range" then would be problem the "min range" also.
-And if problem the skills balance then would be problem the skills cost and skills level.
If a skill spent only 3-4 skillpoint, give only from 15m to 25m effects and lower dammage\effect value with 2 sec cast time. But you sell more skill point the skill\debuff such as 7-10, will be "more range to far" and also "near range to close (from 0m to 35m\45m) and higher dammage\effect value and low\0 cast time.
If the skills op, then not need nerf or remove only give them more "skill points".
This result,
Someone need "1v1 turtle" he make many sp to 1 target debuffs\skills and will be weaken to area attacks. But someone make good "kame turtle" spend more skill ponts to skills and this skills became OP with weak debuffs.
And some op "named"debuffs also would be cast time not only the skills. Suchs as "Payful Doll" or "Hesitation"
And if the skill close range skills(Tank or MA skills) cut them 2 pieces. Active and Passive pieces.
Because Range skills also have 2 pieces: active (attack) skill and passive (defensive) range.
Tank: 5sp active (att) skill and 5sp passive (def) lp skill.
MA : 5sp active (att) skill and 5 sp passive (def) dodge skill.
And long range heroes if have debuffs(with stun or not) than close range heroes have get\gap closer sklills(with stun or not).
Thx.
The cooldown on Bitter Tea is a problem in itself for CCBD, as well as the 5-10 second stun that occurs afterward.
Revoking the fact that the dodge pot never worked in the CCBD anyway, you appear to have no sense of timing. You don't bust out a dodge pot just 'cus. You bust it out when you're low on LP and sense the healer may not get to you soon, if you accidentally got all the aggro from a ton of mobs, if you think you can win within 30 seconds at any point, or when you know there's a huge attack coming that may murder you, just to name a few examples. You're pretty much invincible for 30 seconds using dodge pots....you'd have to be a fool to assume there's no use for something like that. Honestly, as awesome as the dodge pot is, we shouldn't let people exploit it on the ultimate end-game challenge.
It's also the reason no one uses Super Saiyan, Kaioken, or Pure Majin within CCBD. Because the constant drain will screw you over
Oh? Please explain how I remain Super Saiyan in my daily CC50 runs then. The ones where I'm spamming Blitz Fist, Quick Attack and Kidney Shot(Greatest EP wasters) just to make things go faster, and STILL have full EP at all times? If your team has a competent Dende, you never need to worry about EP. The only person in my party I've ever seen low on EP is the Dende herself, but she's only level 51(along with the other guys not being that strong) and doesn't have the lvl70 maxed EP% passive. Something tells me you either hardly have experience in the CC, or you had to deal with garbage healers.
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: The EP drain. My Kami the EP drain. This has been one of the biggest complaints about these transformations thus far, and who can blame them? Fighters and Swordsman can barely maintain them for long while the rest of the classes, while better at maintaining it, can't utilize it fully without needing to heal every so often. Kaio-Ken gets off lucky with this problem thanks to it having SP, but only by a small margin. The point is, the drain for these transformations needs to be reduced. This change wouldn't be problematic in PvP since transformations aren't used, but it will do wonders for PvE stuff such as CCBD, UD, and even farming.
1: Well, I certainly can blame them. After all, their arguments only hold water for level 40 Martial Artists who refuse to get Energy on their gear. Around level 50 onwards, upkeeping SSJ is easy even for MAs. If it weren't for me wanting to use Thunder, switching channels/logging out which obnoxiously removes my transformation, dying or untransforming for Dragonbuffs....I would never NOT be a Super Saiyan. SSJ is always cooled down already when I'm still using it, and you want it become even easier? Should we rename the human race to the Super Saiyan race if your suggestion goes through?
And before you say something in the vein of doing this anyway just for the level 40s, remember that they could've wished for HTB2 and Dragonbuffs too. If they want SSJ so early, they should be ready to deal with the consequences. Either level up, get ENG gear, beg some poor healer/buffer for help, use it when you actually need it, or just deal with resting.
2: Kaioken doesn't drain less with more SP. It drains 140LP at 3SP, AND 1SP. That rumor's been debunked countless times.
3: PvP or no, how would you lose SSJ in single fight anyway? You'd have to purposely waste as much EP as possible, somehow NOT kill your enemy while doing so, AND refuse to use EP healing items. All SSJ requires is you taking a rest every now and then between battles to compensate for your higher power output. You can also speed up the resting process with drinks, or delay it by spamming instant EP-heal items.
Okay so I'm going to repeat this suggestion because I have more info to add.
------Item/Stat Name: Human/Majin Armor
--Current item effect/value: Defense stat Varies
--How you wanna change that item effect or value: Despite all the cool artwork done by NTL for promoting the game and such, most armor that isn't Crafted or found in TMQs just plain suck. What I'd like to see is armor with defense values equal to that of Namekian armor, who got lucky and have better armor than Humans and Majins in terms of defense. This will allow players to go for Legendary, lvl 70 armor pieces with stats such as 34 CON or 39% anti-crit. Granted the defense will not surpass Crafted armor, but again the Legendary values will make up for the difference. This also prompts players to farm for Legendary armor so that they can get these values.
I went in the game and got some crappy lvl 70 armor for Humans and Namekians. Here are the defense values for the top.
This is the lvl 70 Turtle Hermit armor. Now here's the Namekian armor.
Notice the difference in defense values? While the physical defense is the same for both armors, the difference in the energy defense stat for the Namekian armor is nearly double the the Human armor (407 difference to be exact). This also applies to Majin armor as they share their defense values with Humans, although they have a higher stat in the opposite defense value. So why, then, should Namekians be graced with armor with that good defense while Humans and Majins are restricted to using crafted or TMQ armor. It's double annoying that these armors can also be found as Legendary making Humans and Majins miss out on massive stat boosts. As I said earlier, I suggest that the defense values for lvl 70 armor should match Namekian armor in terms of base defense to make it a good alternative to craft and TMQ armor due to their higher stat base, but low drop rate. This doesn't make craft and TMQ useless though since they can be easier to obtain as opposed to lvl 70 legendary armor.
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Base STR: 96 >114
-It never made sense how an ultimate majin with only 1 lvl in their class mastery passive had more Strength than a class where 5/8 of his dmg moves are physical based and he picks up a giant rock and throws it at you in his HTB 2.... This would help him only a bit tho since strength is pretty useless.
Base CON: 144>160
-This would just help increase his survivability a bit more, since SK do get that 2k LP passive and only get 5 lp less than a DW for every point of con he has....
Base FOC: 80>104
-If you make a class that has no accuracy, no damage, only 1 disable in his class tree, long cool downs on tons of his skills, high mana costs on many of his skills, and any moves that do deal decent damage either have a cast time or a long animation.... that class isn't going to be good in either pvp or party pve. Also considering that taunts do get affected by returns just hurts him even more. Giving him more focus helps him land his debuffs and attacks with more consistency.(Also keep in mind he is a warrior his base success rate is cut in half)
Dragons Champion: 2922 LP & 989 Phy Def> 3237 LP & 1239 Phy Def
-When you think about the pros and cons of a DW its usually something like this:
Pros: High Health, High Defense, He can tank many mobs and not die with good cd.
Cons: Everything that wasn't listed as a pro.
The way IceFrog Balances DOTA2 is that he doesn't usually fix a heroes main weaknesses, but insteads buffs their specific strengths so that if a team wanted a hero that is really good at a specific thing you would pick him.(Although in the case of DW he is not very good at many things so he needs some all around buffs.)
Talon Defense: 685 Phy & Eng Def> 795 Phy & Eng Def
-Now lets ask ourselves this: Who is tankier? SK or DW? SK Obviously. Now lets think about this though, SK has more Eng def, 25% Crit Block+ 150 Dodge buff, a 36 second Absorb (that was based on the defenses of the target and axe upgrade), Confusion & Fear immunity, and they can reduce Eng Dmg by up to 51% with Hellzone,Deception & Threatening Roar. The only things DW have over SK is more Phy Def, a bit more health, and dragons punishment (Im not including dragons protection because that only lasts 20 seconds and costs 4k lp....) and while punishment does heal you up to full when there are many targets, in a 1v1 Steal life heals more and does more damage.
Powerful Roar: 14m on 10 Targets, 11 sec Duration, 18 sec cd> 30m on 18 Targets, 16 sec duration 26 sec cd
-Its just fact that SK are a better tank at keeping his party safe, Deception has a 35m aoe, lasts longer, and reduces the Eng Dmg by 25% on all taunted targets... which even makes it viable move in pvp. Perhaps Powerful Roar should also have a secondary effect like Deception? (If so, it should reduce something that would make him and his party more safe, like Atk or movement speed, Phy dmg, or stats that would make his party do more dmg like defense rate, decrease eng def)
Disastrous Blow: Decrease Atk Speed by 28% and Auto Atk distance by 30%, 30 sec duration, 2min cd
-Now the auto atk distance decrease on this skill is useless, because melee classes can't get negative atk range, and almost all ranged classes that use speed have a way to remove this so its useless against everyone except maybe speed male turtle. I believe it should either decrease Phy dmg, movement speed, Eng def,cast range of all skills, or the skill animation speed by 30% to justify the 605 EP cost and 2 min CD, or the duration and cd could be adjusted, and it could be DWs version of threatening roar, so Phy Dmg & Atk speed.
Dragons Protection: Increases Phy & Eng Def by 1778, 20 sec duration, 5 min cd> 50 sec duration, 2min cd
- This one is simple, it will let DW be more viable in Party pvp and dojo war. The 4k LP cost is dumb because that's the amount of dmg you will take from a non crit kamehameha or needle if your armours are good. And SK self destruct wave is literally as strong as a super kamehameha and only costs 350 lp, so this skill should only cost 500-1k lp.
Dragons Punishment: 198% State Dmg + 817% Life Steal when dealing dmg,1:12min cd> 237% State Dmg,50 sec cd
-Just a general buff to help make it a bit more viable in pve and pvp. Its his main attraction point after all, next to energy siege of course. Lower CD because DW is not going to ever kill a good geared namek or buffer so he needs to be able to win by having more %lp than them.
Energy Siege: 605 Eng Dmg + 276 Eng % dmg> 437% Eng Dmg & Reduces Phy atk by 25% or Eng Def by 15%
- Now obviously SK gets his own OP more powerful version of a move(Violent Slice), but energy siege is pretty bad since he has low hitrate and focus, it can be dodged and has that horrible hellzone grenade animation. Obviously if Powerful Roar and Disastrous end up reducing phy atk energy siege should not hence why I stated "or Eng def by 15%", but if every DW had to pick 1 skill that should reduce phy dmg everyone would choose Energy Siege. And before people cry about DW being able to reduce Phy dmg by 25%, Look at Fighter, He can reduced hitrate by 107%... SK can reduce Eng Dmg by 51%...Buffers phy dmg by 40%...SM Props by 30... almost every class can reduce stats by a decent amount, so I dont see a problem in 25% Phy Atk Reduce, it mainly would be useful in PVE reducing all the mob dmg and boss dmg, making you take less dmg.
Cyclone: 10% Hit rate Debuff
-I feel Cyclone is alright in party pvp, since the long animation isn't as much of an issue, and it can help your party dodge more enemy attacks, making it dodge rate debuff would also be nice since Cyclone and Draconic Roar debuffs do not stack, and it would help you a ton in PVE since you have low hit rate, and would help speed up killing dodge bosses. Giving it KD would also be nice to help keep your party safe, overall i think the first thing that should be done is make it stack with Draconic Roar(Warrior Hit rate Debuff)
Demon Wave: 349 Eng Dmg + 185 Burn DOT every 2 Seconds for 10 Seconds, 1 Sec Cast time
-This skill doesn't deserve the cast time if its Initial and DOT damage are this bad... I feel like this skill needs to be tested for the best damage possible by calculating it on glove/claw with % Dmg and DOT, and calculating it on glove/claw with fixed damages, but increased by much more, and whatever gives the best dmg possible should be the way the skill is changed, because this is probably one of the worst skills in the game right now.
As for
&
I feel that them being Phy dmg is fine, as it will give DW a small advantage over human and majin classes that just wear E def only gears against them, but a small Dmg boost to them would be ideal to make up for them being phy. Sharp slice being Eng dmg is also fine.
And for
well, for starters it should have the 30% Lp threshold removed, because generally if you would have to use this skill your healer is probably dead and you failed your job as a tank and will probably die quickly anyway, or lose the benefits as you will heal up with punishment. Also something to note is that this buff does not stack with
(Draconic Protection) &
(Kami's Escort) like... why? Makes it even more useless. As for making the skill generally better? I feel like it could need an entire thread by itself, because this is the worst skill in DBO, 1min duration, 15min cd, 30% threshold, 1500 ep cost, doesn't stack with some buffs.
Charged Masenko: 410 Eng Dmg (*1.5 from behind) + 290 Eng % (*1.5 from behind), 2 sec cast time> 445 Eng Dmg (*1.5 from behind)+ 310 Eng % (*1.5 from behind), 1.5 or 1 sec cast time
-This will only affect DW, because SK usually dont spend their sp on the warrior tree damage skills, and like I stated before all of DWs good dmg moves either have cast time or long animation, reducing Masenko's cast time and increasing the dmg by a bit will give him a decent single target dmg move.
Mankankosappo/Special Beam Cannon: 795 Eng Dmg+ 432 Eng %> Recieves (Damage increased when a Crit is successful) bonus
-You know how whenever an SK uses self destruct wave on plat everyone either runs, guards, or stuns him? Well it makes sense, because it literally 1 shots humans and wonder majins if the SK has good gloves and it crits. SBC should receive the crit bonus, as it would just make sense that its stronger than self destruct wave. And its balanced because only DW would ever try and use it in PVP and he has low focus and only 2 stuns anyway... Everyone knows that Piccolo penetrated the tournament barrier in Dragon Ball Super with it, so its obviously not a weak technique. Special Beam Cannon Damage is so bad, its a disgrace to Piccolo and his technique. It would also speed up DW's farming speed a ton.
Summary/TLDR
My buff suggestions would make DW the go to tank for PVE and would give them a small niche in Party PVP in which they would be an annoying, disruptive class that would keep his party safe, allow them to do more damage, and be able to survive long enough to revive his team. Overall these are just my opinions, but I do think that these buffs wouldn't be unreasonable in terms of balance( I mean they are 12/12 if we had a tier list sooo...) or too hard to edit/implement in the spaghetti code. Anyway cheers.
Agreed with everything, very good suggestions, excluding the Cyclone and Draconic Roar. Tanks are not dodgers, from each 10 attacks, a tank will dodge 1, if not 0. Also, considering what you said about other classes having stat debuff reductions, , i think that the 25% phys reduction should go on Cyclone. OR changing 10% hit rate reduction for 6/12/18/24/30% dodge reduction, since DW's are mostly in need of focus gear and they cant focus into aim for higher CON, and not only mobs dodge a lot for DW's, bosses have a damn high dodge, and you are not going to touch them as other classes.
I mean it's terribly annoying to cast a 3 sec skill, hoping not to get kd'ed, paralysed, confused, and when u successfully cast Special Beam Cannon, you miss the skill on 4 mobs and kill 5.
For Dragon's Pledge, its really useless, your healer will have you most of the time at 100, 80 70% LP, and not even at PvP, just considering that block rate is totally TRASH when it comes to PvE and somehow PvP too because you are not a SM. The cooldown is so high that the skill should be just DAMN OP, not even the best stuns, disables, buff, have that long CD, but this skill does, being just pathetic.
And Dragon's Protection is just bad for PvE and PvP, not because of the 4k LP, since your healler will take care of it, and not even solo, you can just use DP, but as you said. Duration needs a huge boost and cooldown reduction. The skill is mostly for dungeons rather than soloing, so idk if its because the 1788 is not enough or the calc is not that good, but you are a tank with 6k def, and you use Dragon's Protection and you barely see a difference, and i doubt your team does aswell. The skill should keep your party safe somehow, it would highly constrast SK's and DW's, an aggressive tank and a defensive one.
Oh? Please explain how I remain Super Saiyan in my daily CC50 runs then. The ones where I'm spamming Blitz Fist, Quick Attack and Kidney Shot(Greatest EP wasters) just to make things go faster, and STILL have full EP at all times? If your team has a competent Dende, you never need to worry about EP.
Uh, that's not YOU maintaining your costs. That's someone else maintaining your costs FOR you. Try again.
------Class Name:Grand Chef
----Skill or Passive name:Con
--Current skill effect: 1Con=85LP
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill:I would increase it to 1con=95LP so its the same LP ultimate majin gets, i see no reason why it should be lower for chefs then for ultimates.
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------Item/Stat Name: Human/Majin Armor
--Current item effect/value: Defense stat Varies
--How you wanna change that item effect or value: Despite all the cool artwork done by NTL for promoting the game and such, most armor that isn't Crafted or found in TMQs just plain suck. What I'd like to see is armor with defense values equal to that of Namekian armor, who got lucky and have better armor than Humans and Majins in terms of defense. This will allow players to go for Legendary, lvl 70 armor pieces with stats such as 34 CON or 39% anti-crit. Granted the defense will not surpass Crafted armor, but again the Legendary values will make up for the difference. This also prompts players to farm for Legendary armor so that they can get these values.
I went in the game and got some crappy lvl 70 armor for Humans and Namekians. Here are the defense values for the top.
This is the lvl 70 Turtle Hermit armor. Now here's the Namekian armor.
Notice the difference in defense values? While the physical defense is the same for both armors, the difference in the energy defense stat for the Namekian armor is nearly double the the Human armor (407 difference to be exact). This also applies to Majin armor as they share their defense values with Humans, although they have a higher stat in the opposite defense value. So why, then, should Namekians be graced with armor with that good defense while Humans and Majins are restricted to using crafted or TMQ armor. It's double annoying that these armors can also be found as Legendary making Humans and Majins miss out on massive stat boosts. As I said earlier, I suggest that the defense values for lvl 70 armor should match Namekian armor in terms of base defense to make it a good alternative to craft and TMQ armor due to their higher stat base, but low drop rate. This doesn't make craft and TMQ useless though since they can be easier to obtain as opposed to lvl 70 legendary armor.
Because Namekians (DW and SK) are tankers?
Ofc tankers will have higher def than DPS classes and higher HP, it is natural lol.
Because Namekians (DW and SK) are tankers?
Ofc tankers will have higher def than DPS classes and higher HP, it is natural lol.
They already have higher def than DPS classes. That shouldn't mean that Namekians are also gifted with good, Legendary gear.
Uh, that's not YOU maintaining your costs. That's someone else maintaining your costs FOR you. Try again.
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....I....see....so you've never gone inside the CC dungeon. A Dende is a required part of the team to keep everyone's EP up in the CCBD, SSJ or not. No Dende? Then you're not running the CC dungeon. I shouldn't have to explain this to someone making suggestions on the game's balance. Look, just....please do a little research before posting suggestions, we're respectfully taking your posts seriously and into consideration, after all.
------Class Name: Fighter
----Skill or Passive name: Ki Burst 
--Current skill effect: Cuts skill EP consumption by 41%.
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: Grants 41 ENG
With all this talk about Super Saiyans drains, I feeI I should bring this passive up. Everyone I know who got this skill grabbed it because they hoped it'd reduce SSJ's drain. It doesn't. Most of a Fighter's skills barely strain your EP at all, so this is a waste. Changing "EP Cost" to "Energy" still won't benefit Fighters much, but for way-too-early level 40 Super Saiyans, the 15 instant ENG this skill provides will help. We may as well have this garbage skill make some overeager SSJ fanboys happy, 'cause right now we're just jealous of our Swordsman brothers that get 17 p.critrate instead of....this.
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....I....see....so you've never gone inside the CC dungeon. A Dende is a required part of the team to keep everyone's EP up in the CCBD, SSJ or not. No Dende? Then you're not running the CC dungeon. I shouldn't have to explain this to someone making suggestions on the game's balance. Look, just....please do a little research before posting suggestions, we're respectfully taking your posts seriously and into consideration, after all.------Class Name: Fighter
----Skill or Passive name: Ki Burst
--Current skill effect: Cuts skill EP consumption by 41%.
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill: Grants 41 ENG
With all this talk about Super Saiyans drains, I feeI I should bring this passive up. Everyone I know who got this skill grabbed it because they hoped it'd reduce SSJ's drain. It doesn't. Most of a Fighter's skills barely strain your EP at all, so this is a waste. Changing "EP Cost" to "Energy" still won't benefit Fighters much, but for way-too-early level 40 Super Saiyans, the 15 instant ENG this skill provides will help. We may as well have this garbage skill make some overeager SSJ fanboys happy, 'cause right now we're just jealous of our Swordsman brothers that get 17 p.critrate instead of....this.
Mostly correct except the fact that you can actually go to CCBD at least up to F50 without a dende in your party. If you have a poko, F50 is just a piece of cake. Even if you don't have a poko, it is still very doable for many players. If you have one or two pokos in a speed party, I think they can clear even F70 or higher.
I knew what you intended to say but just wanted to point out what has been written above.
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------Class Name:Grand Chef
----Skill or Passive name:Con
--Current skill effect: 1Con=85LP
--Things you'd like to add or change in that skill:I would increase it to 1con=95LP so its the same LP ultimate majin gets, i see no reason why it should be lower for chefs then for ultimates.
It's 85 LP for EVERY class and EVERY race.
It's 85 LP for EVERY class and EVERY race.
No.
This doesn't reflect the DBOG Staff. It's only my opinion...
1- I don't know how you'd ever manage to do cc70 with 2 Pokos and no Dendes.
2- I'm assuming none of you is putting the fact that Dende is 100% needed only for their EP regen buff, which, without it, you can't actually RUN CC.
3- I tried multiple times, by the time you pass 3 floors, your EP is 100% at the ground with nothing you can do about it.
If anyone has some input on this that apparently I'm no aware of recently, do tell...
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