Fist look to budokai than you will see whats is broken in the game.
Everyone saying about poko and karma on cc, I have done some cc with ulti, gc, turtle, dw and healer(in the same pt). Some with only poko and was ok (cc70-100).
I don't think the problem of the game is the speed at all, the ppl simple do what to do other way. The M.A want to do cc with pvp build, the only class that people don't want at all in cc is plasma but even plasma with a pve build had it place.
Fist look to budokai than you will see whats is broken in the game.
You are right, alot of SKs winning idk why should a tank be good in PvP
i bet 500€ this game will stay retarded forever this game will be always broken and if people are pissed and stop donate the game will just die again like in 2013, but this time forever.
WHO BET AGAINST ME?
hI,
Yes i know , 80% you see me on tatami , (30% afk farming ) but idk if u sied trade chate , i was searching for party cc all the day mentioning im + 15 speed , with full set tmq , no person take me the only person who have cc armor is superxingge and its my friends and he told me he got carried by his china friends, Fighter have no chance to go cc right now because of the buffer , buffer was usuels , the only way to slove fighter , dw , sm pve , is adding another slot 6/6 on party , or , bye dbo globale
, simple.
see thats why i know u talking about things u dont know much about bro.
with buffs outside of the party u could take fighter with a ticket and hurry up and do best to not to die bcoz otherwise u lose buffs and fail.
Now when buffers arent useless, u can go with buffer adn take whoever u want even fighter, its right that fighter isnt best choice bcoz its fasster with turtle. but now thanks to buffers u can go with fighter cc51-90 and succed with right party..
Display MoreWTF is wrong with the balance team?
Karma one shot humans in arena, sk crit almost all time, fighters, swords, plasma dying from tanky class just by reflect.
human vs human fight usually end after few sec, no real way for block the combo, human dmg comprared to human defense and hp is terrible.
Daneos your balancing team is mistake they doing nothing and they know nothing, look how many good suggestions you had in forum How DBOG can become a better game Yadrat warehouse (shared bank) suggestion
about balance etc...
Why you dont fix guard like badpicollo suggest, why you don t make the bank share like Skedar told you, why you don t make this game less rng like Mussolini told you why you dont want make this game more skill, they give good argument.
The balance team is doing nothing good for this game because they know nothing and they don't want change things.
Better change your balancing team and take to your team ppl with knowledge like skedar etc.. ppl who know something about this game and would like to make it better and more skill.
It's not that simple trying to balance out a game. Be patient as It will take some time but eventually Daneos and his staff will get there
Display MorePeople moaning about ultimate being a necessity in parties are pathetic. Straight out pathetic.
How can you in one sentence say that ultima shouldn't be taken into the dungeons just so swords (or class X) can go? Hypocrisy much?
Removing buffs if ulti is no longer in the party was best update done to this version, hands down.
Oh, and spin is op, is it? For the sake of argument let's say it is. Did any of you moaners ever thought about the uproar you would raise if ultimates were only good to give you buffs?
God damn it, sort yourselves out.
PS. Mods, next time you delete my post, send me a pm explaining what was it you didn't like. I'll be happy to discuss it.
ur 100% right.
And spins have too many drawbacks too be overpowered.
Small area of effect
Cannot use potions or sensubeans during spin or exhaust (easy countered with reflect)
Its damage over time to enemies near, mobs or ppl running away avoid all dmg
5~10 second exhaust after spinning
Long cooldown
Sacrifise con for movement speed on boots.
Need karma and poko buff for maximum spinning speed
Display Moreur 100% right.
And spins have too many drawbacks too be overpowered.
Small area of effect
Cannot use potions or sensubeans during spin or exhaust (easy countered with reflect)
Its damage over time to enemies near, mobs or ppl running away avoid all dmg
5~10 second exhaust after spinning
Long cooldown
Sacrifise con for movement speed on boots.
Need karma and poko buff for maximum spinning speed
If we think of spin as a pve skills and not a pvp skill it's more than op. And anyway ultimate is a support class not a dps class. It doesn't even make sense that 1 spin tick does that much dmg.
When we look at spin from a pve perspective er can see that all your "drawbacks" doesn't matter.
more than op? fromu pve perspective ure turtle aoe is more than op compared to other classes like ANY aoe dps ( somehow u dont care about them) or healer heals on budokai are more than op u can all that everything :p
I agree that spin has many drawback and if its too strong its only bcoz of speed party but speed party is OP itself isnt it? also Imagin 91-100 mob floors with time limit especially now when mobs has much more LP,if spin would hit for less it wouldnt be do-able with fighter, sword or most of the classes.
and lower spin dmg would be completely useless for pvp and class like ultimate has 0 aoe skills.
anyway ultimate is a support class not a dps class.
SK is a tank class not a dps class and you see it winning budokai.
If you want to talk about balance don't point your finger on one class.
In my opinion to make PvE better experience for (almost) every class crit party should be buffed and speed nerfed. Nerf to speed party should NOT be targeted at attack speed itself but at crit rate. Currently speed party combines very high auto attack speed with very high crit rates as Karam and Turtle often have over 100 e.crit rate and Poko ~90+ e.crit rate. I suggest to nerf Karma e.crit rate passive and Poko e.crit rate buff. If that doesnt help there is possibility to nerf how e.crit rate scales with focus for Karma and Poko.
Additional i suggest to change SSJ. Half the amount of attack speed it gives and compensate with phy and ene crit rates as all human sub-classes are based on crits. Those changes should encourage more people to try crit parties.
If we think of spin as a pve skills and not a pvp skill it's more than op. And anyway ultimate is a support class not a dps class. It doesn't even make sense that 1 spin tick does that much dmg.
When we look at spin from a pve perspective er can see that all your "drawbacks" doesn't matter.
ultima isnt a dps class, even with spin.
Single target dps is still terrible compared to karma, poko, turtle
Its only good for AoE.
more than op? fromu pve perspective ure turtle aoe is more than op compared to other classes like ANY aoe dps ( somehow u dont care about them) or healer heals on budokai are more than op u can all that everything :p
I agree that spin has many drawback and if its too strong its only bcoz of speed party but speed party is OP itself isnt it? also Imagin 91-100 mob floors with time limit especially now when mobs has much more LP,if spin would hit for less it wouldnt be do-able with fighter, sword or most of the classes.
and lower spin dmg would be completely useless for pvp and class like ultimate has 0 aoe skills.
Maybe you should start playing turtle and dende before you talk... But you will probably keep going with your "opinion" and deny the facts
SK is a tank class not a dps class and you see it winning budokai.
If you want to talk about balance don't point your finger on one class.
I don't want to talk about balance I'm just trying to tell you guys that turtle is pretty much useless. I don'tt care about balancing this game. The game already made to many errors and it's still going that way. Yes SK is way to strong but mostly because nearly all classes got a hare nerfed except sk, dw, ultimate and grandma.
ultima isnt a dps class, even with spin.
Single target dps is still terrible compared to karma, poko, turtle
Its only good for AoE.
lol ultimates auto attacks with kid buu in a speed party has still pretty high dmg. Nearly as much as a turtle.
forum.dboglobal.to/wsc/index.php?attachment/2155/
and this is with kid buu, full damage items, high str, dex, etc
so as u see, its not even close to turtles
forum.dboglobal.to/wsc/index.php?attachment/2155/
and this is with kid buu, full damage items, high str, dex, etc
so as u see, its not even close to turtles
100% sure you are missing something I have 1470 phy atk with kidbuu +12 gloves and no dragonbuffs
xD a buffer that is full dex and have more e.crit then Phy Crit btw are you using a crit rate sub ?
xD a buffer that is full dex and have more e.crit then Phy Crit btw are you using a crit rate sub ?
no, attack speed in this picture~
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