Solo PvP/5v5/PvE balance

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What ever happens, Buffer and Healer will always be needed.

With this PVE set up, tankers ain't needed, you can straight delete them, buffers will be fine tanker instead or if really needed, semi healer poko with

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thats one of the points if u all want talk about class balance. BUFFER and healer will always be needed. so its not necessary to let them be tanky like they are at the moment. you will need them anyway in your party if u want play the end game content.

I remember how alot people said dbotw had bad balance and was not good enough but i bet you all would wish that the game system would only rough like the original one

with how pve is, even turtles can tank with right items, thats how weak bosses are.

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with how pve is, even turtles can tank with right items, thats how weak bosses are.

ok please show me a video of it. turtle have to tank boss + all adds the whole time in all floors. just the same as with buffer and its not allowed to let buffer helping tank the adds. this turtle have to use the classic eq and not stuff from ccbd with nearly max states and already nice upgrades. ok if u want the turtle can have rings and earrings from ccbd but we have to be fair with the rest of the items from this dungeon. normaly the whole team in this party should not have already finished sets from cc too but its ok. i also want see the mob floors

after that compare the duration of the runs with buffer as tank and tell me if u would do it everyday, if u can clear it.

PS: Do not use the bug in floor 65 !

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“Hit the nail right on the head” as they like to say. Do I wanna do Solo Budokai? Do I wanna do Party Budokai? Do I just want to do PvE? This is what you should ask yourself when you make a class.

ultima? good meme

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ok please show me a video of it. turtle have to tank boss + all adds the whole time in all floors. just the same as with buffer and its not allowed to let buffer helping tank the adds. this turtle have to use the classic eq and not stuff from ccbd with nearly max states and already nice upgrades. ok if u want the turtle can have rings and earrings from ccbd but we have to be fair with the rest of the items from this dungeon. normaly the whole team in this party should not have already finished sets from cc too but its ok. i also want see the mob floors

after that compare the duration of the runs with buffer as tank and tell me if u would do it everyday, if u can clear it.

PS: Do not use the bug in floor 65 !

Only thing I could find and mostly good geared turtle/SM can tank any boss, now think about poko/ultimate who can do same job as any other tanker in game.

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Only thing I could find and mostly good geared turtle/SM can tank any boss, now think about poko/ultimate who can do same job as any other tanker in game.

Invalid, lv 70 does not count

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Invalid, lv 70 does not count

Why you think anyone gives af about cap 60 lol....

One of reasons why server is empty because people wait for cap 70, soo sorry mate, I only showed point that it is possible.

Plus no one here discuss about cap 60, but party system and dungeons in general.

Point is, each class geared good enough can play role of tanker in this game.

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Only thing I could find and mostly good geared turtle/SM can tank any boss, now think about poko/ultimate who can do same job as any other tanker in game.

realy im talking about the current game situation in dbog and not dbotw. i know it was possible before. i was turtle in pre open beta and could also tank and dbotw is big difference and cant be compared with this privat server.

sorry for that but i have one or two question to you? have u ever played dbog since its open for all free players? u also played other classes a little bit seriously and for a longer time? it seems like u dont realy know whats going on at the moment on this server here.

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Why you think anyone gives af about cap 60 lol....

One of reasons why server is empty because people wait for cap 70, soo sorry mate, I only showed point that it is possible.

Plus no one here discuss about cap 60, but party system and dungeons in general.

Point is, each class geared good enough can play role of tanker in this game.

We are talking about the current game state. It's still a long way until 70 cap comes out. Well you are waiting for it but many other players are playing the gam RIGHT NOW

Also alot of things changed since POB and TW

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Why you think anyone gives af about cap 60 lol....

One of reasons why server is empty because people wait for cap 70, soo sorry mate, I only showed point that it is possible.

Plus no one here discuss about cap 60, but party system and dungeons in general.

Point is, each class geared good enough can play role of tanker in this game.

How to trigger Iceman 101:

1. Speak on 70 cap on any form that's not positive.

Quote from Kamo

realy im talking about the current game situation in dbog and not dbotw. i know it was possible before. i was turtle in pre open beta and could also tank and dbotw is big difference and cant be compared with this privat server.

sorry for that but i have one or two question to you? have u ever played dbog since its open for all free players? u also played other classes a little bit seriously and for a longer time? it seems like u dont realy know whats going on at the moment on this server here.

I did play, I am playing and I played almost every race, every class beside Karma/Plasma.

Still, you could point out that what are you asking or want is related to this fake cap 60 while client is lvl 70.

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We are talking about the current game state. It's still a long way until 70 cap comes out. Well you are waiting for it but many other players are playing the gam RIGHT NOW

Also alot of things changed since POB and TW

I know what most of things have changed, I played in OB Cap 55 and I am back now.

Still I just point out that party system is or will be broken, where race,class roles won't exist and in this game, at least in PVE.

Still in cap 55 when I spam CC, what I could see is that good ultimate/poko and even chef can do fine job to tank boss, but I guess, human classes in this cap 60, really ain't made for it, still lack LP and def but I could be wrong, if they are +15 with props and full con...

Still since this is "PVE Balance" thread, since most of players using this cap to gear up for cap 70, I simply point out that dungeon system needs to be fixed with exact roles as in any other MMO ( Tanker, DPS, CC Support, Buffer, Healer).

When this part be implemented in game, when each class can do PVE content, then we can talk about PVE Balance.

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I did play, I am playing and I played almost every race, every class beside Karma/Plasma.

Still, you could point out that what are you asking or want is related to this fake cap 60 while client is lvl 70.

i just wanted to chellenge this skedar. he is saying every class is able to tank in this lv 60 cap as it is currently on the server and i want see a recent video. its clear that I am just talking about the lv 60 cap as we have right now because that is the current situation in which we are currently. Everything that was before or after that is a completely different topic.

all I want to say is that a buffer is a support class like dende and should not be able to tank like he can do it right now on the lv 60 cap. everyone knows its not normal but he doesnt want to admit it.

Im saying with right equips, any class can tank. Because bosses arent that strong

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Im saying with right equips, any class can tank. Because bosses arent that strong

nice answer. its ok forget it. i know u cant do it legit like i said in my last post. and i think even with "the right gear" (full sets from ccbd) u would get problems.

Right item effect, attribute, accoires, defences, etc.

You should know better kamo, i think you know that im right.

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Right item effect, attribute, accoires, defences, etc.

You should know better kamo, i think you know that im right.

just do it then we can continue talking.

I think it's fine that other classes than sk/dw can tank bosses if they have op gear. That should not be a problem. But nerfing atk speed would suck because crit does nearly no dmg right now. You would jump from 2 mins per boss to 10-15 mins. That would be no fun.

So really attack needs a small nerf and crit damage needs to not suck...right?