How DBOG can become a better game

All class, has ability to reach 1st place only just dedicate ... is learn couterar other class with accessories

It depends on the ultimat, I sometimes get ultimat Facilll that only knows if buffar is getting attacks .... sometimes it gets caught ultimat good, that often do not even use the default sett '' LP% '' uses Dex , or something like .... they create different strategies .. however, what should change even if many do not fill, is the DEFESA di game, which is not yet balanced

I even did the test with 6k5 def physics ... a figther believed in me, with bat +10 he believes 9k WTF ... karma only has 14k max full con is the same thing, if an ultimat will ... it will hurt a lot or other class .. I think it has to wiggle same and in the defense of the game and then see the balancing of the class ....



OBS: srry my inglês no is good...

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karma if pertrify gets reduced by anti confusion than thats a bug and it needs to be reported and fixed

as a shadow knight. my brother gave me this setup. its not about mediating damage from the ultimate its about making your important debuffs last as long as possible on the ultimate. He claims it works for most ultimates majins and even better on spiritualist but he has never faced skedar and hasnt play in a month.

swordsmen that combo is spammable. like i said its about surviving to run the combo 2-3 times is the trick. Im not a swordsmen so I could be incorrect on this. I have scene this work well on my ultimate majin but Im not that well geared tbh.

if you were to suggest a nerf to ultimate 1 nerf to a skill which 1 would it be?

i await your answer

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Well it's not a bug, on the confusion resist% accessory there's an additional effect on the rings I believe(Ex: -16% petri duration, or something like that). I'm not saying that your strategy(SK one) isn't adequate, but it's definitely incomplete. If you don't combine taunts/grenade with life steal/curse your debuffs won't last long at all. On top of their ridiculous defense, you'll find them constantly healing back to full LP.

The problem with SM vs Ultimate Majin is a variety of variables: Ping(server freezes), Ring out bug(Players go back inside the arena), their low damage(I believe plus 14 SM don't crit for more than 4k, which in turn is translated into less than 2k because of lp%), Ultimate's ridiculous damage, and the Ulti's stun removal. Killing the Ultimate Majin is hardly an option when you need to crit 6 to 9 times over without your opponent healing/using any health items. Even if you manage to bypass their resist/stun removal with Focus/CD, you'd have to sacrifice virtually all your health and defense just to keep them locked. Considering how obnoxious Cluster bomb is.... nuff said. Oh yeah, there's also the game freezing for a couple of seconds that trash CC/KD lock classes.

If I were to come up with a nerf to one Ultimate skill, it'd be to make it so that Ulti can't remove stuns if they're stunned. I don't see why the tankiest class in the entire game needs that extra effect every other CC removal ability lacks. Now if I were to just nerf the class itself, I'd nerf their para/stun removal so that they can't use it on themselves when stunned, and I'd nerf their DPS significantly. And if possible, I'd create seperate ENG/Phy sets for Mighty/Wonder Majin. The Mighty Majin armor set would have to be nerfed for sure, with only 2 pieces of physical armor they can tank any MA in the entire game. But I wouldn't want to kill off Wonder Majin, hence why there are 2 start class sets for Majins.

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Well it's not a bug, on the confusion resist% accessory there's an additional effect on the rings I believe(Ex: -16% petri duration, or something like that). I'm not saying that your strategy(SK one) isn't adequate, but it's definitely incomplete. If you don't combine taunts/grenade with life steal/curse your debuffs won't last long at all. On top of their ridiculous defense, you'll find them constantly healing back to full LP.

The problem with SM vs Ultimate Majin is a variety of variables: Ping(server freezes), Ring out bug(Players go back inside the arena), their low damage(I believe plus 14 SM don't crit for more than 4k, which in turn is translated into less than 2k because of lp%), Ultimate's ridiculous damage, and the Ulti's stun removal. Killing the Ultimate Majin is hardly an option when you need to crit 6 to 9 times over without your opponent healing/using any health items. Even if you manage to bypass their resist/stun removal with Focus/CD, you'd have to sacrifice virtually all your health and defense just to keep them locked. Considering how obnoxious Cluster bomb is.... nuff said. Oh yeah, there's also the game freezing for a couple of seconds that trash CC/KD lock classes.

If I were to come up with a nerf to one Ultimate skill, it'd be to make it so that Ulti can't remove stuns if they're stunned. I don't see why the tankiest class in the entire game needs that extra effect every other CC removal ability lacks. Now if I were to just nerf the class itself, I'd nerf their para/stun removal so that they can't use it on themselves when stunned, and I'd nerf their DPS significantly. And if possible, I'd create seperate ENG/Phy sets for Mighty/Wonder Majin. The Mighty Majin armor set would have to be nerfed for sure, with only 2 pieces of physical armor they can tank any MA in the entire game. But I wouldn't want to kill off Wonder Majin, hence why there are 2 start class sets for Majins.

call me sensei and i might consider giving you some tips on how to battle the scary ultimate majins.

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call me sensei and i might consider giving you some tips on how to battle the scary ultimate majins.

sensei u never give me tips e.e. and you let kinswkk win (one of the best swordsman) you think ill believe he killed you +15 ccbd gets killed by sm... theres no counter for ultimate maybe mixing few energy attacks which will deal 60% less...

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"Spam nonsense" me? Lmao, you mustn't have read all the other 1k word essays I've wrote on various threads concerning the pros/cons of certain classes.

Karma Majin: As for Karma Majin, as Horrid said it's the Ultimate's advantage. The Ultimate could quite literally go full dex against a full focus/prop Karma, and they'd tank them the entire time; If Karma misses a single CC the Ultimate's given an opportunity to get a couple hits on the Karma. If the Karma somehow manages to land EVERY single CC, then they'll be forced to win via Dice. This wouldn't be the case if confuse resist% didn't damn near guarantee a confusion resist. And unfortunately that's not all, for some darned reason confuse resist% also decreases petrification duration.

Swordsmen/Fighter: If the Ultimate Majin doesn't use autopot, senzu bean, or any of their LP items, then MAYBE a plus 15 SM can kill Skedar; But just like Fighter, they won't accomplish anything 9/10 times. The best strategy a Swordsmen can use against Ultimate Majin is full focus/CD, assuming they somehow manage to survive a Ultimate's barrage of attacks(which won't be often considering they'd be wearing Focus), they can attempt to continuously spam their stuns/KDs until the Ulti is knocked out. However KDing players out nowadays is really iffy, for some reason certain players can just jump back in the arena as they please after being knocked out. Killing a Ultimate Majin who's wearing an entire physical defense set even with full props is unrealistic with the game's current state. I've got a plus 14 SM acquintance who wasn't able to do anything against Skedar in terms of dealing a single health bar. I won't bother making a separate paragraph for Fighter, I'm sure just about anyone can agree that Thunder/Needles will NEVER come close to killing a Ultimate Majin. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, a plus 14 Fighter fought Skedar, and he won via heals and reflect(didn't even bother to attack the guy).

Dark Warrior/Plasma Majin: Dark warriors can't exactly kill Ultimate Majins, and since the recent arm pull nerf they've been rendered useless against Ultimate Majin. They'd stand a chance if it was possible to land confusion, but as I stated previously that won't happen with confuse resist%. Same can be said about Plasma Majins, at best they can try to KD them out; However when all your CCs are rendered useless, and with KDing out being weird.... Enough said.

Turtle Hermits: To be honest, there's not much I CAN say about Turtle Hermits; They're kind of an enigma for me in terms of fighting Ultimates. IN theory they should be able to put up a good fight against Ultimate Majins, however Skedar managed to 3-0 arguably the best Turtle in the entire game. In terms of killing the Ultimate Majin, that's obviously not an option. I know it's going to sound iffy when I say this, but I don't believe Turtle can kill Prop Ulti; and before you try to call me an idiot who's spouting nonsense, hear me out. If Karma Majin can't manage to kill a dex Ulti, despite them being able to damage the Ulti THROUGHOUT the match(Turtle can't damage Ulti while they're sleeping), I don't believe a Turtle can do anything against a Prop Ultimate Majin. It's really just a matter of Ultimate Majin waiting to resist/dodge to get an opening against the Ulti. It's the same scenario with Karma Majin, they have to win via Dice, and if they're not lucky the Ulti gets an opening to attack them.

Shadow Knights: Listen, as an ex-Ultimate Majin your strategy will most certainly not work. Even if you're smart about your debuffs, the Ultimate Majin will be able to remove them almost instantly if they've have the slightest hint of "skill" in this game. They can just about counter any Bold Strike that comes from the SK via paralysis/bleed removal + heal. A better strategy would be to spam taunt debuffs with full focus and CD accessories, and THEN use curse/life steal; That way you're simultaneously nerfing their damage somewhat, and keeping them from removing your debuffs. However, although it's possible to kill a Ultimate Majin with plus 15 crafted armor with this strategy, it's very difficult to kill one using CC90 armor. And that's assuming the Ultimate Majin wearing CC90 armor doesn't use senzu/autopot. Dealing with 3 UM health bars, when Ulti has the most props, lp% in the entire game, and one of the highest amounts of defense; It's just not going to happen. It'd be a miracle if you managed to lower their health 1 or 2 bars in 2-3 minutes, but the 3rd just won't happen. A prop SK does hardly any damage, a CD/Focus SK won't accomplish much except for lose more health(SK loses health not Ulti), then there's their obnoxious resist. Best they can do is win via dice, if they're not dead by the end of the match. Life steal was essentially their breadwinner when it came to damaging, but that's been nerfed so they've got nothing to offer against Ulti. You can try to argue that with more DoT debuffs, thus they can win via health. However if they time their senzu perfectly, it's null and void.

Crane Hermit: Well they can by multiple means, none of which are effective against a fully geared Ultimate Majin. One strategy is they can try to sleep lock the Ultimate Majin throughout the entire fight(If they manage to land all their hypnosis') to win by dice, another is they can try to by KD. Winning by KD against Ultimate Majin is very unlikely to occur, in addition to their resist, they can also remove debuffs making it very difficult to accomplish(If anyone's actually managed to accomplish that). If the Ultimate Majin wanted to, they could wear full anti bleed, and burn defense on their Eng set to nearly nullify the Crane's damage. Then the Crane Hermit is forced to spend RP balls on their burn in addition to the already costly KD spam. If they Crane Hermit tries to TS them, they can quickly switch to their Con set(if needed) in order to survive. Of course going with the defensive strat would make it "difficult" to kill the Crane, but I'd argue it's somewhat in the Ultimate Majins favor. The Ultimate Majin has the option of switching to anti-Crane damage gear in order to control the match so that they win by dice, but Cranes can do the same, so they're just about even in that regard. But if the Crane screws up one of their KDs, or CCs it allows the Ultimate Majin to land a possibly fatal blow on the full focus/CD Human. In terms of controlling the match it's a battle of mind games between Crane and Ulti, however Ultimate has the defensive advantage over Crane.

When it comes to Grand/Poko, and Dende I pretty much agree with you. I've heard rumors that skilled Dendes like DrMed can kill SKs with ease, and possibly even Ultimate Majins; But those are just rumors, and naturally the Dende has to have better gear than the Ulti.

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Best turtle? i hope you don't mean divine lol because the only reason he went to the finals that day was because he crashed everyone.

Regarding turtles vs ultimates, if the turtle goes full focus they will only have around 8-9k hp and a good geared ultimate will easily be able to 1-2 hit them then.

If you don't go full focus you will hardly hit them.

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call me sensei and i might consider giving you some tips on how to battle the scary ultimate majins.

Skedar, finally given up? You remind of those Danganronpa characters at the end when they can't prove their innocence, then they start spouting out rubbish. I think it's safe to say there's not much you can go off of to defend Ultimate Majins. Out of all the classes in the entire game, it's the only one WITHOUT a hard counter. Sure, it doesn't 1 shot SKs, nor does it regenerate 100k lp per heal. But Ulti doesn't need all that jazz in order for it to be the most broken class in the entire game.

I don't need tips on how to battle Ultimate Majins, I've got a couple of strategies in mind; Besides I don't play DBOG anymore. I hang around Forum giving suggestions, and arguing/discussing said suggestions.

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I don't need tips on how to battle Ultimate Majins, I've got a couple of strategies in mind; Besides I don't play DBOG anymore.

When you come back, and you want to learn how to PvP properly, feel free to call me sensei.

I'm happy to help people who see me as their sensei

^When you're so outmatched in a debate that you start insulting someones PvP skills even without prior knowledge of how good they are

Imo this thread is already oversaturated, the last 20 pages are just people defending their main class while trying to nerf all others. You can't really try to balance a game when you're obviously bias about it.

This is supposed to be Zolty's input on what needs to be worked on, if people are to post here it should be to either support or constructively criticize his ideas. This became like a verbal budokai where people who no longer play the game for obvious reasons come vent on how much they miss playing it.

this is becoming a shit fest.

recommend closure of this thread.

ill admit i was wrong about karmas vs ultimate majin and swordsmen vs ultimate thank you exhaulted for showing me my faults

a good ultima isnt able to kill a good karma , and vice versa the same.

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Well it's not a bug, on the confusion resist% accessory there's an additional effect on the rings I believe(Ex: -16% petri duration, or something like that). I'm not saying that your strategy(SK one) isn't adequate, but it's definitely incomplete. If you don't combine taunts/grenade with life steal/curse your debuffs won't last long at all. On top of their ridiculous defense, you'll find them constantly healing back to full LP.

The problem with SM vs Ultimate Majin is a variety of variables: Ping(server freezes), Ring out bug(Players go back inside the arena), their low damage(I believe plus 14 SM don't crit for more than 4k, which in turn is translated into less than 2k because of lp%), Ultimate's ridiculous damage, and the Ulti's stun removal. Killing the Ultimate Majin is hardly an option when you need to crit 6 to 9 times over without your opponent healing/using any health items. Even if you manage to bypass their resist/stun removal with Focus/CD, you'd have to sacrifice virtually all your health and defense just to keep them locked. Considering how obnoxious Cluster bomb is.... nuff said. Oh yeah, there's also the game freezing for a couple of seconds that trash CC/KD lock classes.

If I were to come up with a nerf to one Ultimate skill, it'd be to make it so that Ulti can't remove stuns if they're stunned. I don't see why the tankiest class in the entire game needs that extra effect every other CC removal ability lacks. Now if I were to just nerf the class itself, I'd nerf their para/stun removal so that they can't use it on themselves when stunned, and I'd nerf their DPS significantly. And if possible, I'd create seperate ENG/Phy sets for Mighty/Wonder Majin. The Mighty Majin armor set would have to be nerfed for sure, with only 2 pieces of physical armor they can tank any MA in the entire game. But I wouldn't want to kill off Wonder Majin, hence why there are 2 start class sets for Majins.

just to be clear. Yes, the damage that an SM +14 can do from behind + RP power + Spirited to roar at 25% and glaring slash with 23props = 7747 crit ... so yeah ... it's really hard.

It is possible to say that the majin with which I did this test has 4k of p.def and 40 props ...

I just wanted to show evidence of what you say, because you approached the result a lot.

also that majins can have even more p.def and props than just that.

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^When you're so outmatched in a debate that you start insulting someones PvP skills even without prior knowledge of how good they are

Because i see what he writes, plus i know for a fact that ingame he never accomplished anything so far.

Plus for me its funny, that i wont tell him how to combat the ultimate majins, for everyone to see here, so he automaticly assumes its impossible

Most of you forum warriors who dont even play no more, think you know it all, or have it all figured out.

But having a populair opinion or being right, are 2 different things my little daqjuan.

you really expect me to write here a complete guidebook for almost all classes, on how to combat ultimate majins?

Just so that people can follow it and use it against me?

You guys hilarious.

Just to prove my point, how about you guys post me a skill build for ultimate PvP.(what you guys think is overall best)

So i can have a good laugh

+The only point that i can give you guys , is that me too, am not sure if allowing every class to wear both sets of CCBD was a good idea.

Well this thread keeps going on and on.

Simply posting on forum will be ignored as proved many times, sadly.

Most of "balancing" stuffs don't even come from balance team and like I said before, due tons of chargebacks, bans left and right, due poor balancing in this game and sadly no will to even balance PVE for each class, at least PVE, we come to this.

Some people claim that they are "GODs" simply because they have all stats they desire and high upgraded gears.

Trust me, give entire community what only few people have and 90% of them will kick your ass ( ofc there are some people when you give them everything, they will still sux lol and sadly I think our community might be filled with more than 10% of people like that), since game is gear based, not "skill" as some say and "skill" that existed, and if ever existed, it is removed long time ago.

Only way for this project to gain POB player base or old DBO player base is bring back old DBO TW "Balance" or simply do the job and listen community and change stuffs.

Soon or later, you like it or not, other fanbase projects of DBO (that have more devs and that gives af), other MMO's will take playerbase and you will be left alone in empty server, soo you might be "GOD" in this project, but when it dies, what then, kill yourself since you accomplished your life goal to be the best in dead MMO?

People should stop caring that they can change anything here, sadly I realised that late, soo I suggest to everyone, if you like this project, play it, but if you want game or project where you want to invest more of your free time than no life in it and want better "balance" simply play anything else.

Cheers everyone.

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Well this thread keeps going on and on.

Simply posting on forum will be ignored as proved many times, sadly.

Most of "balancing" stuffs don't even come from balance team and like I said before, due tons of chargebacks, bans left and right, due poor balancing in this game and sadly no will to even balance PVE for each class, at least PVE, we come to this.

Some people claim that they are "GODs" simply because they have all stats they desire and high upgraded gears.

Trust me, give entire community what only few people have and 90% of them will kick your ass ( ofc there are some people when you give them everything, they will still sux lol and sadly I think our community might be filled with more than 10% of people like that), since game is gear based, not "skill" as some say and "skill" that existed, and if ever existed, it is removed long time ago.

Only way for this project to gain POB player base or old DBO player base is bring back old DBO TW "Balance" or simply do the job and listen community and change stuffs.

Soon or later, you like it or not, other fanbase projects of DBO (that have more devs and that gives af), other MMO's will take playerbase and you will be left alone in empty server, soo you might be "GOD" in this project, but when it dies, what then, kill yourself since you accomplished your life goal to be the best in dead MMO?

People should stop caring that they can change anything here, sadly I realised that late, soo I suggest to everyone, if you like this project, play it, but if you want game or project where you want to invest more of your free time than no life in it and want better "balance" simply play anything else.

Cheers everyone.

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It doesnt matter what class i would have had, im pretty confident i'd have won solo budokai with just about any class, except maybe swordman or fighter.

If i had mained SK or DW, you'd have been complaining about that class.

As for balance, a long time nothing happened, but that wasnt our fault.

You'll see changes eventually, from classes that were played & tested by good & experienced players in dev server.

So since they were tested by good players, in various situations, i doubt you'd be able to comprehend it, and complain and cry anyway, but maybe not, life is full of suprises.

Good thing i dont desire to become popular or care about forum warriors.

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Because i see what he writes, plus i know for a fact that ingame he never accomplished anything so far.

Plus for me its funny, that i wont tell him how to combat the ultimate majins, for everyone to see here, so he automaticly assumes its impossible

Most of you forum warriors who dont even play no more, think you know it all, or have it all figured out.

But having a populair opinion or being right, are 2 different things my little daqjuan.

you really expect me to write here a complete guidebook for almost all classes, on how to combat ultimate majins?

Just so that people can follow it and use it against me?

You guys hilarious.

Just to prove my point, how about you guys post me a skill build for ultimate PvP.(what you guys think is overall best)

So i can have a good laugh

+The only point that i can give you guys , is that me too, am not sure if allowing every class to wear both sets of CCBD was a good idea.

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When did anyone here ask you to teach them how to play Ulti? Stop trying to change the subject into something that we weren't even talking about.

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It doesnt matter what class i would have had, im pretty confident i'd have won solo budokai with just about any class, except maybe swordman or fighter.

If i had mained SK or DW, you'd have been complaining about that class.

As for balance, a long time nothing happened, but that wasnt our fault.

You'll see changes eventually, from classes that were played & tested by good & experienced players in dev server.

So since they were tested by good players, in various situations, i doubt you'd be able to comprehend it, and complain and cry anyway, but maybe not, life is full of suprises.

Good thing i dont desire to become popular or care about forum warriors.

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The problem is, a good turtle can easily beat any SKs especially now that arm pull is nerfed and DW is even easier for turtles however a good karma can also beat SKs.

The main problem is ultimates are like brick walls, i can't even think of 1 class can actually kill a good geared ultimate.

This game is simply a rock,paper,scissor game where one class defeats another and so on, however ultimates can go against any classes or at least draw against them.

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It doesnt matter what class i would have had, im pretty confident i'd have won solo budokai with just about any class, except maybe swordman or fighter.

If i had mained SK or DW, you'd have been complaining about that class.

As for balance, a long time nothing happened, but that wasnt our fault.

You'll see changes eventually, from classes that were played & tested by good & experienced players in dev server.

So since they were tested by good players, in various situations, i doubt you'd be able to comprehend it, and complain and cry anyway, but maybe not, life is full of suprises.

Good thing i dont desire to become popular or care about forum warriors.

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Yeah and with just about every class you would have would be geared with +15 armor so what's your point

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It doesnt matter what class i would have had, im pretty confident i'd have won solo budokai with just about any class, except maybe swordman or fighter.

If i had mained SK or DW, you'd have been complaining about that class.

As for balance, a long time nothing happened, but that wasnt our fault.

You'll see changes eventually, from classes that were played & tested by good & experienced players in dev server.

So since they were tested by good players, in various situations, i doubt you'd be able to comprehend it, and complain and cry anyway, but maybe not, life is full of suprises.

Good thing i dont desire to become popular or care about forum warriors.

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Excuse me, did anyone talked about you by any chance since I don't get why you quote me and for what reason?

Isn't, "Balance" - give / put every race/class on same ground where everyone geared or skilled enough can have same or equal chance of beating each others?

I think I missed something and please don't tell me about "DICE" thing that is lame, RNG shit that no one likes.

There are 3 ways of beating someone at least they were:

1. Kill

2. Ring Out

3. Have more HP than guy you are facing

Dice should never be added and in most of MMO's it doesn't even exist, most of online games focus on this 3 parts, some only on 1, that is, kill to win.

Like I said, as long people leave their shells and start looking for balance in game as general and not their own "balance", but that will never happen.

Well take care buddy.

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It doesnt matter what class i would have had, im pretty confident i'd have won solo budokai with just about any class, except maybe swordman or fighter.

If i had mained SK or DW, you'd have been complaining about that class.

As for balance, a long time nothing happened, but that wasnt our fault.

You'll see changes eventually, from classes that were played & tested by good & experienced players in dev server.

So since they were tested by good players, in various situations, i doubt you'd be able to comprehend it, and complain and cry anyway, but maybe not, life is full of suprises.

Good thing i dont desire to become popular or care about forum warriors.

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Sigh, I started with the conversation with the intention to have a respectful and fruitful conversation. I've given my suggestions, and argued my points, yet all you've done is try to slander/straw-man me. Frankly, I find it both disgusting and funny. It really gets on my nerves that you're so darned arrogant that you can't even comprehend what I'm trying to say. You claim you can teach me how to beat Ultimate Majin, yet I haven't made a single post regarding Ultimate being impossible to beat. My WHOLE premise was that when scaling one class to another class in terms of how broken they are, Ultimate Majin would come out at #1. I don't believe Ultimate Majin is unbeatable, like I've said before I know multiple strategies certain classes could use to beat Ultimate Majin. But in most scenarios, Ultimate Majin would most likely have the advantage. Another thing I'd like to add is that you don't have to be unbeatable to receive a nerf: *cough Karma cough*

Edit: Before a Mod removes my post, please don't. My intention isn't necessarily to start a flame war with Skedar, as it is to get my point across. This is entirely for the sake of continuing a pseudo-discussion.